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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein

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so we have two guest co-hosts or one

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guest co-host of analysts today we have

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Don accurate returning from the last two

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weeks and we also have one of our

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longtime listeners in for more regulars

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the one the only Michael Allen yep

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you're the only right I'm the only

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Michael Allen on the farm apparently

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which is kind of weird because you know

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Michael Allen is a very I mean Google my

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name in here I see hundreds and

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thousands of them that's how that's how

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long I've been in the farms is that I

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was able to get my name early on well

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that's the only way to do it there other

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ways of doing it but it requires either

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dismissing somebody in the forums firing

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them or banning them or strike that

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we're negotiating with them or paying

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them off thing we can do here we'll take

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like a third you want to change your

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name in the forums you contact somebody

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whose name you'd like I'll work with you

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to get them to switch but whatever you

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pay I get a third of its a pair cast

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plus privilege I mean you contact the

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other guy they you know they yeah I

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don't really like my name that much I

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want to go for a handle and somebody

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else says no they take it whatever

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doesn't matter yeah it's very

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interesting we're gonna bring our

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listeners up-to-date on something that

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done I talked about for about 40 minutes

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on the after the power cash show which

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is part of our cast plus and that is the

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death of art bell on Friday the 13th now

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I gather Michael you were a regular

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listener of bells

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yes I was I listened to a lot of stuff I

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mean he was

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I have to tell you a lot of times I

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would listen I would go to sleep

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listening to that guy and I'd wake up

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the next morning listening to that guy I

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mean there were many days it didn't

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matter who was the guest I mean I just

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liked hearing his voice on the radio

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there was something you know mesmerizing

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about it and now I say that being the

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kind of person who's highly skeptical of

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anything that's paranormal I mean well I

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mean as you would imagine and I still

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love listening to him try to you know

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the way he would talk to his guests and

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the way that he would tell the stories I

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mean it was it was fun it was

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entertaining and I have to say I really

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missed the guy Dean Radin you've been

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around this world for a while were you

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ever on coast to coast with art Bell oh

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yes many times what was your feeling

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reaction to him now that we know he's no

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longer with us well he'll nobody lasts

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forever

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but he was certainly unique and both the

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way that he interviewed people it's true

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he really would draw you in by the just

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the nature of his voice but he was also

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quite quite informed about he what he

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was speaking about and did a magical

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thing which allowed anybody to talk

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about anything and somehow everyone felt

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respected in the process so that was

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really quite a talent that was very

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difficult and that's probably in some

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ways unlike the original pioneer and

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paranormal talk radio long-john Nebel

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because long john could be real

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sarcastic and real nasty sometimes

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depending on his mood of the evening

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Dean we're so glad you finally come on

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to power cast and you have a new book

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out called real magic which is subtitled

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ancient wisdom modern science and a

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guide to the secret power of the

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Universe and for listeners who aren't

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familiar with your work maybe we should

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talk a little bit about your background

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how did you become interested in magic

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well who's not interested in magic I

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mean if you look at the popularity of

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magical themes and entertainment you

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will find almost every other movie and

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television show and and book

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has something to do with magic in it and

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this is not a new phenomenon it's it's

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been around as long as there's been

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fiction so I'm interested in the same

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things that everyone else is interested

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in perhaps the only differences and

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since I was trained as a scientist of

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course approach the topic from a

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completely skeptical perspective but

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skepticism doesn't necessarily mean

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you're going to deny everything it

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simply means that you're going to doubt

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what you read until you have some reason

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to believe it so I've been studying this

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topic and related topics now for 42

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years and my conclusion after lots of

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experiments and lots of literature is

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that magic is actually real and it's not

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Harry Potter and it's not Harry Houdini

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it's the real deal Dean let me ask you a

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question if I may now you're talking

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about the practice of actual magic via

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ritual with a cause and effect or are we

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talking about a showman's magic slay a

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sleight of hand

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you're talking about an actual working

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of magical rituals and techniques and

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I'm not talking about Harry Houdini

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not stage magic it's not illusions okay

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what I'm talking about are three

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practices one is divination this is part

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of the long esoteric tradition that the

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esoteric traditions I'm talking about

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both in the east and the West

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they they talk about three practices so

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divination is gazing into a mirror how

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the use of tarot cards that sort of

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thing eg the e chain yes the second

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category is is something I call force of

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will which is manifesting things in the

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physical world

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mentally manifesting stuff the third

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category is fear G which is more the way

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that magic is typically portrayed in

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fiction which has to do with evoking

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spirits communication with other

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intelligences might

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the modern way to think about that I

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suppose yes yeah that's another way to

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put it

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traditionally you you imagine people in

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a pentagram that are with a lot of smoke

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and fire and sex and rock and roll we're

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trying to create entities or evoke

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entities have you witnessed any of these

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practices firsthand Dean we'll see

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that's the thing the I want to separate

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from the fictional way that these these

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practices have been performed from what

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actually happens so the way that I do it

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being a scientist I've studied these

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kinds of phenomena in laboratory

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experiments not just me but many

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colleagues around the world so we're

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using scientific methods to study the

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essence of these methods so divination

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for example divination cast into

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scientific terms would be called

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phenomena like clairvoyance and

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precognition that is what those

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phenomena are so there are plenty of

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experiments looking at those kinds of

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effects in the laboratory so we can say

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is that based on those experiments that

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the notion of divination is true that it

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can be done now as to whether a crystal

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ball is the thing that's necessary rod

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or gazing in a mirror or whatever we're

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not answering those questions we're

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answering simply the phenomenon itself

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plausible based on the evidence the

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answer is yes the same goes for force of

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well can we say that the idea of

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mentally manipulating the physical world

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is real based on what we see in the

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laboratory the answer is yes and the

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same goes for for theour G that there's

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evidence of some kind of communication

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with something that doesn't appear to be

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living well when you're talking about

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practices like this you invariably at

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one time or another I'm sure will be

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confronted by fundamentalists now in the

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Christian Hebrew Bible there are

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prohibitions against these things have

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you encountered that and how do you

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answer critics that would come at you

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from that Aang

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I haven't had any criticism from people

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of that ilk I'm you're absolutely right

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though that there are very severe

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prohibitions and the Catholic catechism

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for example that you don't do these

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things but what I've tried to point out

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in my book is that the suppression of

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esoteric ideas by the church mainly the

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Catholic Church but a lot of religious

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authorities they have suppressed what

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they would consider to be pagan or

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heretical practices not because they

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didn't believe in them they did believe

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they still do believe in these kinds of

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practices but they're considered

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heretical because they threaten the

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authority ok Dean Radin joins Michael

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Allen Donna Karan Jean Steinberg and

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next week we'll be talking to Nick

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about Slender Man you're in the para

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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to store . ^

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cast comm store dot the para cast comm

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what makes special is that the items are

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the best quality of great t-shirts

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fabrics and they have our official logo

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on them that's what makes them special

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multiple sizes and colors we even have

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stuff for children stuff for women's

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stuff for men we have all sorts of sizes

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like small up to x large a lot of good

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stuff that's the swag from the para cast

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to go to steward onto the para cast comm

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stop by and take a shopping tour warning

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one day I chose to leave my family to

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freedom today we live on a sustainable

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20 acre homestead where we shoot hunt

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garden and homeschool our children

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without the tyranny of the nanny state

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meantime Michael you had a response to

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what Dean was saying well I was about to

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agree with him I mean if you if he were

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to deal with divination or any kind of

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even if it weren't statistically

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significant if it's something that

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somebody could draw on to you know and

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I'm saying this by the way Dean just to

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remove the psychic element the whole

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that whole just even without any of that

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if somebody believes something too you

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know like a certain type of method of

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divination was that they would basically

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undercut the authority I mean that makes

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a lot of sense to me I don't know that

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that necessarily means that that

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phenomenon or there is reality to it

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except that maybe a person believes it

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and because they believe it they're

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going to well it's kind of like a

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Rorschach blot you know you see or you

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look at a wall which is something I do

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every day and I see a picture or I see

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an image in randomness because

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evolutionarily speaking I'm going to see

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patterns and randomness that are

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meaningful to me and I think I think you

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approach this from that angle

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I mean you was heavily involved in you

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know in astrology and the aging and

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other forms of divination sure yeah

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there and any kind of psychic phenomena

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there are many possible explanations for

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the experiences that people report so

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when we do an experiment in a laboratory

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the important thing is to develop a way

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to exclude all of the mundane

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explanations and just leave the one that

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you're interested in so that's that's

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what we do in the experiments otherwise

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why bother to do the experiment at all

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right to get back for a second to how

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fundamentalists respond to this they

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actually

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into two camps and one camp says they're

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actually quite happy about it because

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they they basically would say I told you

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magic was real like they just take one

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example of the Catholic ceremony of the

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Eucharist that is explicitly a magical

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practice that's transmutation of one

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thing into another thing and it's only

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allowed to be done by priests and

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somebody else does it's heretical so the

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idea that the phenomenon is real they

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like that idea then there's another cast

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of people who really really don't like

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it because they believe it completely

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but they've been told that is demonic so

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you I get it from both sides both

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positive and negative it sounds to me

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like it's politics to an extent if you

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don't like something you could believe

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in and say oh it's heretical it's this

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it's blasphemous oh yeah

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very clearly it's it's completely clear

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from a historical perspective that this

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had to do with power social power

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arrangements as to what we got declared

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heretical versus acceptable ding with

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with the risk of sounding like I'm

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making a pun

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you hit a buzzword that I want to

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question you a little bit on demonic now

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with your research and you're working on

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what you consider to be real and actual

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magical practices do you give credence

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to the idea of a negative influence a

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negative force a demonic force as

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opposed to things like the forces of

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light and the reason I asked that there

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have been an incredible amount of

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emphasis in recent times on the idea of

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demonic possession exorcisms and

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what-have-you a lot of it emanating from

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Roman Catholicism where do you come down

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on that my guess is that the that heaven

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and hell are human constructs as our

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demons so

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and in a given religious context if

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somebody seems to be psychotic then they

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will interpret that as a diamond it's

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it's something that doesn't seem like

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it's human but there are lots of mental

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illnesses that can end up looking that

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way so I take a very secular perspective

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and these kinds of phenomena we've

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actually named in computer science we

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name programs that run in the background

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that do things that the kernel is not

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necessarily always aware of or is not

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really keeping track of we call them

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demons and that's the same word from

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demonics which is mean it's like a

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little circuit that runs in the

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background that does something and from

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a you know from a consciousness

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perspective as somebody who's who has

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the complete under stay have a complete

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understanding of their own consciousness

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doesn't realize and Hume would call them

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they're they're called complexes but in

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modern cognitive terms you know

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cognitive science they would call them

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circuits basically it's something that

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runs in the background that you're not

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fully aware of but it comes out it

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sublimates into your ego occasionally

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which is to say your serial processor

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the part that is conscious or is aware

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of something I'm mixing up by the way of

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mixing a lot of theories together to

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just get to explain but that the word

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demonic I think has a very very

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technical term when you actually look at

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it from a point of view of a human brain

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and HealthWorks subsystems work and how

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the background processes like for

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instance the one that eats your heart I

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mean do you do you actually beat your

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heart does your heart beat you know no

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it just happens but your brain sends

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signals to do that and that's something

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people forget about is that there are a

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lot of demons and so a demonic you know

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something that emerges from within the

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subconscious may actually be something

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that for a long time ran in the

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background and then suddenly sublimates

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itself up to your awareness if that

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makes any sense and

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I'm sorry I'm winded there but that

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that's uh that's how I understand it so

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Dean in other words you then do you

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totally discount the idea regardless of

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what you call it of a negative influence

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no I wouldn't discount it I would I

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would say that at least as far as the

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evidence goes we don't see independent

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evidence of something like that but I I

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think as as Michael was saying that the

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the level of conscious awareness that

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most of us have is it is the tip of the

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iceberg

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we all have self-defeating unconscious

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things going on that cause people to

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drink and smoke too much for example or

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to eat too much

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well consciously you wouldn't want to do

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that because you know it's very bad but

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people do it anyway and so one could

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then to simply say that what we refer to

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or what a religious person would refer

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to as a diamond made me do it can just

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be thought of as portions of your own

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consciousness that are below the level

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of your awareness yeah and that has been

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experimentally proven I mean we well and

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it doesn't really I mean if a

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five-year-old the seven-year-old won't

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understand that you know that you

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explain to them what they do that they

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know what they're doing no they don't

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know what they're doing because most of

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what they're doing is automatic but when

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you point out to mine like my daughter

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who's eight years old if you point out

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she goes I don't know shoot and then

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kind of post facto explanation for why

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she decided to do some yes thing

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definitely made me do it we're gonna

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break your eye we're gonna break here

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when we'll have more with Dean Radin

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Michael Allen Don Ecker you're in the

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this is actually a you listening to the

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has out and we'll get more and directly

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into the book it's called real magic not

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the stage magic not to pretend magic but

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the real stuff and we have Michael Allen

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and Decker joining us next week on the

631
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power cast we're gonna talk about

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Slenderman with Nick Redfern Wow

633
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can't wait for that Michael pick up

634
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please we're talking about the devil

635
00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:56,630
maybe do it I mean that's something that

636
00:28:00,610 --> 00:27:58,370
you know when I go back and I look at

637
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,620
first of all one thing I will you know

638
00:28:05,170 --> 00:28:02,240
full disclosure I don't believe in any

639
00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:05,180
of the myths I mean not in the way that

640
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:08,150
they're taught you know what I think

641
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:12,050
that when you look at something like in

642
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every system of people who are consuming

643
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:17,450
resources you're going to have people

644
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that have the resources and those that

645
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don't in every in every biological

646
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system you're going to have organisms

647
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that have something and some that do not

648
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:30,020
have that same thing and they're all

649
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,360
fighting for the same resources it's not

650
00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:35,600
so much about good and evil and I think

651
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,600
a lot of people really lose their minds

652
00:28:43,150 --> 00:28:40,880
and I think lose their track when they

653
00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:43,160
talk about good and evil although this

654
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:45,740
is beyond good and evil it's about it's

655
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:48,680
about who's at the top who has what the

656
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:52,190
resources has the resources if you want

657
00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:54,290
to go that route you know what with the

658
00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:56,990
biological entity and those that do not

659
00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:59,270
and I think that where we get this

660
00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:01,820
dichotomy of good and evil really comes

661
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:04,780
out of that that conflict over resources

662
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:08,720
that are limited so that's that's my

663
00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:10,910
point on the demonic you know so anybody

664
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:13,280
who's on the winning team is going to

665
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:15,260
see the opposing team is demonic it's

666
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,330
the same thing it's like a football game

667
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:19,760
anybody who's on you know reading for

668
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:22,280
Dallas Cowboys versus the Patriots it's

669
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:25,040
not about good need it's about something

670
00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:28,010
that that it's one thing is one prize

671
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:31,160
there's taken and the other is left out

672
00:29:35,379 --> 00:29:33,140
I think when you talk about science you

673
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:35,389
got to go beyond didn't you

674
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,700
you gotta go beyond demonic versus

675
00:29:42,369 --> 00:29:39,919
angels you gotta think of them as

676
00:29:44,889 --> 00:29:42,379
opposing forces that are that are

677
00:29:46,979 --> 00:29:44,899
working against you know trying to

678
00:29:53,199 --> 00:29:46,989
accomplish a common goal

679
00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:53,209
does that make sense Dean sure yeah

680
00:29:59,680 --> 00:29:56,109
that's clearly what the history shows

681
00:30:02,949 --> 00:29:59,690
that is true with magic as well

682
00:30:06,069 --> 00:30:02,959
your magic is fine the other person's

683
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:06,079
magic is horrific and heretical and

684
00:30:10,899 --> 00:30:08,329
there's many many examples all

685
00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:10,909
throughout history where they're there

686
00:30:17,469 --> 00:30:14,989
in basically battle magic happening

687
00:30:20,289 --> 00:30:17,479
between people with different cultures

688
00:30:23,229 --> 00:30:20,299
different ideas sometimes even within

689
00:30:24,969 --> 00:30:23,239
the same religious sect but just very

690
00:30:27,339 --> 00:30:24,979
subtle differences people will get all

691
00:30:30,849 --> 00:30:27,349
angry at each other so it's just part of

692
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:30,859
the human condition yeah and the human

693
00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:33,529
condition involves scarcity scarcity

694
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:36,469
leads to conflict conflict leads to you

695
00:30:39,969 --> 00:30:36,940
know

696
00:30:42,729 --> 00:30:39,979
well yeah it's either real it could be

697
00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:42,739
real scarcity or imagined scarcity but

698
00:30:47,469 --> 00:30:44,719
but the point the point is well-taken

699
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:47,479
that we're essentially aggressive

700
00:30:52,479 --> 00:30:50,169
primates we ever watched monkey tribe

701
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:52,489
trying to negotiate on something there's

702
00:30:56,979 --> 00:30:54,279
a lot of screaming that goes on so

703
00:31:03,479 --> 00:30:56,989
humans are not that different it sounds

704
00:31:10,629 --> 00:31:07,029
news every night so one of the things

705
00:31:12,669 --> 00:31:10,639
i'd like to clarify here is that there

706
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,679
if you go into the the metaphysical

707
00:31:16,869 --> 00:31:14,809
section of a bookstore and you look up

708
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:16,879
magic you're gonna find tons and tons of

709
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,429
books that are about magical practice

710
00:31:24,369 --> 00:31:22,159
magical lore and so on this book is very

711
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:24,379
different because I didn't I don't like

712
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,089
the right book so you could already find

713
00:31:29,649 --> 00:31:28,159
a book on that topic I'm only interested

714
00:31:31,930 --> 00:31:29,659
in writing books that I can't find

715
00:31:33,999 --> 00:31:31,940
somewhere else so what's different about

716
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,009
this is that this really is looking at

717
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:36,320
the these magical traditions through the

718
00:31:46,209 --> 00:31:38,450
lens of science because that's basically

719
00:31:47,539 --> 00:31:46,219
all I know that's what I do a long time

720
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,549
reading

721
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,159
because I was interested me a call I

722
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:52,740
read a lot of treatises like the

723
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:55,620
hermetic Museum I read Frances Barrett's

724
00:32:02,299 --> 00:31:58,490
the mages which is by the way of

725
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,309
plagiarized of henry cornelius agrippa i

726
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:04,679
read a lot of treatises on alchemy and

727
00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:08,370
and i have to say a lot of it just it's

728
00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:12,149
very repetitive it just it's like

729
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:13,830
they're repeating the same message over

730
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,529
and over again or they're trying to you

731
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,500
know I don't know what they were doing I

732
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:21,539
mean I've spent years studying that and

733
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:26,220
it was a dead end so in in real magic

734
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,409
you'll find something different and the

735
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:31,080
way that I I wanted I could have easily

736
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,970
have spun this in the Durer the same

737
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:35,039
direction that other people have which

738
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:38,250
is mostly in the direction of how would

739
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:39,809
you practice something like how would

740
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:41,730
you use affirmations or how would you do

741
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:43,980
a ceremony or that sort of thing I'm not

742
00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:45,870
that interested in those I'm more

743
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,649
interested in what can we know that is

744
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,240
likely to be true with high confidence

745
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:53,580
and that's of course one of the of the

746
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,110
joys of science is that you can

747
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,700
eventually learn things with high

748
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:00,240
confidence and so of the people I asked

749
00:33:05,289 --> 00:33:02,850
to endorse the book I have two Nobel

750
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,299
laureates one in physics or chemistry

751
00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:07,440
the president of the American

752
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:10,830
Statistical Association program director

753
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:12,620
from the National Science Foundation

754
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:15,510
winner of the Arcturus Medal which is an

755
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,190
astrophysics medal from the National

756
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:19,860
Academy of Sciences and professors of

757
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:22,409
physics and neuroscience and on and on

758
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,230
and on so the reason why you have people

759
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:28,320
in prominent positions who've won major

760
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:31,740
prizes and science who are endorsing

761
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:34,140
this book is because they recognized

762
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:36,210
that first of all it's it's a book about

763
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:39,510
science but more importantly it's really

764
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:42,990
about paradigms in science like how do

765
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,140
we we by addressing the topic of magic

766
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:48,000
we don't want to go backwards in time

767
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:49,770
it's not we're not regressing to the

768
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:52,020
past what we're looking forward to the

769
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,570
future I agree with that that's that's a

770
00:33:58,030 --> 00:33:56,240
that's a good way to

771
00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:58,040
you know but the problem I have and the

772
00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:59,929
you know the one thing that I and I'm

773
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:01,520
meant to be yeah you know I've spent

774
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:02,990
some time I watched some of your videos

775
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:04,970
and I've watched some of the you know

776
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:07,030
the discussions it's you know the

777
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:10,820
lectures that you get you gave on and I

778
00:34:15,869 --> 00:34:13,369
have to you know just I'm gonna roll it

779
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:15,879
all up into one question here and

780
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:18,950
because in your paper you quote it is

781
00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:21,320
difficult for a matter-of-fact physicist

782
00:34:25,869 --> 00:34:23,419
to accept the view that the substratum

783
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:25,879
of everything is of a mental character

784
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:28,100
Sir Arthur Eddington the nature of the

785
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:30,470
physical world and you have a few other

786
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:35,000
quotes about but I have to wonder what

787
00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:38,210
do you think about the difference you

788
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:41,000
know because I I'm a monist and I wonder

789
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,190
you know with the physical and the

790
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:45,919
mental substances when people start to

791
00:34:50,139 --> 00:34:48,110
think in those terms are they really

792
00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:50,149
just going backward in time because I

793
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:53,000
thought that that was settled in a man

794
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,649
by the way I don't think it's settled

795
00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,720
from a physical istic a classical

796
00:35:01,240 --> 00:34:58,700
physical istic point of view I think

797
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,250
it's just not a settled problem but I

798
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:03,200
don't think that there are two things in

799
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:04,730
other words I don't think that we have a

800
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,550
physical and mental a substance that

801
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:09,440
interacts through some kind of magical

802
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:12,200
way and I'm using that term not in the

803
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:15,050
way you use it but I just I wonder what

804
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:17,690
what are your thoughts about about the

805
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:20,780
fundamental ontology that these people

806
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,310
that people you know what are they

807
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:26,720
thinking about when they read your paper

808
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:28,550
are they thinking that consciousness is

809
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:31,460
a different substance or what are you

810
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:35,060
trying to tell them in other words well

811
00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:37,970
actually that that is a key theme in the

812
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:40,520
book it's it's about scientific

813
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,940
worldview and I agree that a monastic

814
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:45,920
perspective makes a lot more sense than

815
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,850
dualism so what it comes down to is are

816
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:52,160
you going to view the world purely in

817
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:55,970
materialistic terms or are we forced by

818
00:36:02,609 --> 00:35:58,250
the nature of the least phenomena to

819
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:02,619
consider something larger so this this

820
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,700
means that we have to start talking

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about philosophy

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okay so philosophy in 15 seconds

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not possible so my only response to that

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would be that you have to talk about

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philosophy of science and you start

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dealing with things like magic but you

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need to do it in a way that's not going

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to put people off who don't like

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philosophy and that was one of the

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challenges in this book we're gonna have

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more challenges from our benefactors and

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then more to come with Dean Radin and

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we're featuring Michael Owen and Don

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know what that is Dean Radin I want to

958
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:58,240
just ask you I guess we started with

959
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:00,130
this we never got into it could you

960
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:02,410
describe to our listeners what you do

961
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:04,390
for a living because it's so relevant

962
00:42:12,060 --> 00:42:07,750
oh well I I'm chief scientist at the

963
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:12,070
Institute of noetic Sciences noetic is a

964
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:15,700
term that roughly means intuition it

965
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:18,730
comes from the Greek root word noose and

966
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:21,790
noose means to know what it means to

967
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:24,880
know with certainty but out without

968
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:27,070
knowing how you know so it's like

969
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:29,470
intuition so our Institute was started

970
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:32,620
by Edgar Mitchell the Apollo 14

971
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:35,080
astronaut who was and he was the sixth

972
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,050
man on the moon and and on the way back

973
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:39,760
to the earth he had a mystical

974
00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:40,950
experience

975
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:44,070
was quite surprising to him and since he

976
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:47,720
was a Navy pilot and a MIT engineer

977
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:51,930
astronaut he wanted to understand what

978
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:54,300
is a mystical experience because they

979
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:57,060
don't train about that and at MIT or in

980
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,660
the Navy so given that he was from that

981
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:02,700
tradition he decided to use the tools

982
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,950
and techniques of science to to tackle

983
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:09,839
mystical and psychic experiences simply

984
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:11,670
to find out what can we know about those

985
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:14,820
things from a scientific perspective so

986
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:16,700
the Institute is almost 45 years old

987
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:19,980
from the very beginning our mission has

988
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:21,930
been to explore the frontiers of

989
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:24,510
consciousness using the tools of science

990
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,390
so I'm now chief scientist at this

991
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:30,240
Institute and that's what we do how did

992
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:33,960
he describe his mystical experience well

993
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:36,570
Edgar said the way he puts it as way he

994
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:37,950
put it he passed away a few years ago

995
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:40,410
right he was sitting in the space

996
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,570
capsule as it was coming back towards

997
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,000
the earth and it was rotating so it

998
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:47,460
didn't cook one side of the capsule too

999
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:51,690
much he was seeing in in succession the

1000
00:43:57,319 --> 00:43:54,660
earth the moon the Sun and then stars

1001
00:43:59,780 --> 00:43:57,329
again and again and again and having a

1002
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,790
few minutes to have the window seat with

1003
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:01,490
nothing to do he was simply

1004
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:04,950
contemplating this miracle of being out

1005
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:07,560
in the blackness of space and seeing the

1006
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:10,650
earth the moon stars and so on and he

1007
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:13,770
felt a peculiar sense of unity first

1008
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:16,440
with the earth because when they look

1009
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:17,790
back at the Earth from space

1010
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,180
it looks like a bright blue ball with a

1011
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,480
very thin atmosphere so the envelope of

1012
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:27,599
the atmosphere is really thin and it

1013
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:29,880
make it looks fragile like a bubble in

1014
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,940
space and so we thought well everything

1015
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:35,160
we know about our history about

1016
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,550
ourselves about everything is on this

1017
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:40,980
little fragile blue ball out there in

1018
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,210
space that sparked another idea that all

1019
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:48,030
of the everybody on earth all of the

1020
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:50,099
humans everything on earth was made at

1021
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:52,920
one point out of Stardust that's what we

1022
00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:54,970
are so we are

1023
00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:57,790
pieces of Stardust sitting out in the

1024
00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:01,120
middle of nowhere in space very far away

1025
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:02,680
from any other place that we would

1026
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:05,710
consider to be suitable for for being

1027
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:09,010
home so that this was the beginning of

1028
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:12,210
an expansive feeling which turned into

1029
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,730
what he later described as Samadhi so

1030
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:18,160
it's a this is what a yogi would say is

1031
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:20,170
it as a mystical experience where you

1032
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:21,700
feel one with everything

1033
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,430
did he not claim to attempt an ESP

1034
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:29,440
experiment on the way back from the moon

1035
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:32,440
or going to the moon how did that turn

1036
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:34,990
out yeah he did that on the way to the

1037
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:37,960
moon the original idea was that there

1038
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:39,970
would be a group of people on earth who

1039
00:45:45,090 --> 00:45:42,250
had tried to guess what cards he was

1040
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:45,100
looking at like an ESP card test and as

1041
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:47,230
the timing was such that he couldn't do

1042
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:49,900
it at the pre-planned a time because he

1043
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:52,030
had to be involved in other things so

1044
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:53,470
rather than being a real-time

1045
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,660
clairvoyance test it turned out to be a

1046
00:46:01,710 --> 00:45:58,480
precognition test the results of that

1047
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:01,720
test showed significant sign missing

1048
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:05,260
which means that the the final analysis

1049
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:07,390
was was such that people were not

1050
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,670
significantly hitting the targets they

1051
00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:11,520
were significantly missing the targets

1052
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:15,340
so from us significant in this sense

1053
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:17,890
means statistically speaking it wasn't a

1054
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:19,990
chance outcome but it wasn't in the

1055
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:22,510
outcome in a positive sense it was in a

1056
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:27,940
negative sense now during the the 1970s

1057
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:31,180
through the 1980s the Department of

1058
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:35,710
Defense and the Department the DIA and

1059
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:39,250
and other intelligence agencies engaged

1060
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:42,910
in a practice now today known as remote

1061
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:46,870
viewing have you folks ever taken a look

1062
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,550
at those practices and you know this I

1063
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:53,920
would think would seem to be right up

1064
00:47:01,440 --> 00:46:56,680
your alley well I was a member of that

1065
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:01,450
program back down okay so yes remote

1066
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:04,210
viewing in some detail as I said the way

1067
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:06,250
that I talk about this in

1068
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:09,570
the book on magic is I could go through

1069
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:12,490
the details of how you do experiments

1070
00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:13,750
and what the results are and all the

1071
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:14,920
rest and I've done that in previous

1072
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,170
books and I decided in this book that

1073
00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:18,640
since I've already written about it I

1074
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:20,320
didn't want to write about it again

1075
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:23,020
so I addressed it in a different way the

1076
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:24,850
one of the people that I met on that

1077
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,730
project is the chair of the statistics

1078
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:29,560
department at the University of

1079
00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:30,670
California Irvine

1080
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:32,620
she was also the president of the

1081
00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:34,410
American Statistical Association

1082
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:37,660
statistics of course is the scientific

1083
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:41,080
discipline that analyzes data so who

1084
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,230
better to ask than the president of the

1085
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,150
American Statistical Association about

1086
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:48,300
her opinion of remote-viewing research

1087
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,480
jessica odds is her name and she did a

1088
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:54,640
as a president of the American

1089
00:47:59,540 --> 00:47:57,010
Statistical Association every year the

1090
00:48:01,710 --> 00:47:59,550
president gets to give a talk to the

1091
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:01,720
collected group of professional

1092
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:03,730
statisticians from around the world so a

1093
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:05,470
couple years ago she was in Chicago she

1094
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:07,480
gave her presidential address and as

1095
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:10,180
part of that address she talked about

1096
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:12,430
her experience in evaluating the remote

1097
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:15,670
viewing data and which basically says is

1098
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:19,210
that from a statistical perspective when

1099
00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:20,650
you look at that data there's no

1100
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:22,300
question that these phenomena are real

1101
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,910
so the way that I respond down to

1102
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:26,800
someone who doesn't know what to think

1103
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:29,140
about it doesn't know about the data I

1104
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:31,270
would simply say look if the president

1105
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:34,330
of the organization that whose mission

1106
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:37,330
is to analyze data says straight out

1107
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,420
that this stuff is real that if you have

1108
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:42,880
a complaint about that you need to talk

1109
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:45,070
to a statistician because from that

1110
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:47,110
perspective it is as real as anything

1111
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:50,490
else that we know well back in the

1112
00:49:00,090 --> 00:48:55,150
1990's I was giving a talk back on the

1113
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:00,100
East Coast in New Jersey on some lunar

1114
00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:03,130
phenomena research that I was involved

1115
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:06,040
in and a gentleman came down from New

1116
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:11,200
York to see the presentation and I had a

1117
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:13,990
chance to meet him and we then developed

1118
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:16,380
a friendship Ingo Swann

1119
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:19,049
now as it turned out this was the man

1120
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:22,619
credited with designing the protocols

1121
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:25,529
for the military intelligence remote

1122
00:49:32,539 --> 00:49:28,170
viewing program did you know Ingo and I

1123
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:32,549
gotta tell you Dean that had I never met

1124
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:35,339
him I would have had probably some

1125
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:38,420
doubts about the process but that guy

1126
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:42,450
convinced me to the enth degree yes and

1127
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:45,150
I knew Ingo Ingo was very talented

1128
00:49:50,779 --> 00:49:48,089
he had his opinions which are quite

1129
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:50,789
strong about the ways of training these

1130
00:49:57,339 --> 00:49:54,180
phenomena yeah bingo was had as SR I

1131
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:57,349
when I was there I would guess that

1132
00:50:03,499 --> 00:50:00,359
people at the level of INGOs natural

1133
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:03,509
talent is probably in the on the order

1134
00:50:10,279 --> 00:50:07,190
of about 1 in maybe 1 in 10,000 people

1135
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,289
just naturally talented like that so

1136
00:50:15,259 --> 00:50:12,720
that actually if you if you figure that

1137
00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:15,269
into the 7 or 8 billion people on the

1138
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:16,589
planet right now there's actually quite

1139
00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:19,500
a few out there who have very very good

1140
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:21,630
natural talents in remote viewing

1141
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:24,950
whether they realize it or not he has

1142
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:29,220
extremely you're you're totally correct

1143
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:31,859
you have some very strong opinions and

1144
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:33,930
of course one of the things that he's

1145
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:37,410
noted for today among most people that

1146
00:50:43,870 --> 00:50:39,990
may not be familiar with other aspects

1147
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:43,880
tingled Swann was the book he wrote

1148
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:48,119
penetration did you by chance read that

1149
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:54,329
book and if so what were your opinions

1150
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,450
on that Dean yeah Ingo actually talked

1151
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:00,480
about that before he wrote the book so

1152
00:51:05,539 --> 00:51:02,700
I'm familiar with the the episodes and

1153
00:51:07,789 --> 00:51:05,549
it's it's very difficult to know what to

1154
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:07,799
do with those stories I mean he is

1155
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:11,490
verifiably an extremely good psychic but

1156
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:12,990
he was talking about stuff that sounded

1157
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:15,660
ridiculous for because among other ways

1158
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:18,470
other things there's no way to verify

1159
00:51:23,319 --> 00:51:21,690
those stories let me interrupt you here

1160
00:51:26,779 --> 00:51:23,329
and we'll continue in our next segment

1161
00:51:29,370 --> 00:51:26,789
Dean Radin author of real magic with

1162
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:29,380
Michael Allen and Don Ecker your

1163
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in the pair cast you are listening to

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alike it's a thrill a minute story

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you'll never forget a former US military

1169
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:58,700
intelligence officer is haunted by

1170
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1171
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1172
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1173
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:08,510
turn out to be true and thrust him into

1174
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a telepathic love affair with a woman

1175
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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[Music]

1219
00:54:14,609 --> 00:54:12,460
here's Jane Steinberg we have Dean Radin

1220
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:14,619
on the podcast this week author of real

1221
00:54:20,099 --> 00:54:17,430
magic and I interrupted him

1222
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:20,109
unceremoniously and lo her phrase

1223
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:22,260
because we have those inevitable

1224
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,240
interruptions Dean please continue well

1225
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:28,480
Don had raised the this question of a

1226
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:31,270
book that Ingo Swann had written called

1227
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:33,609
penetration which is very very bizarre

1228
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:37,839
and so my comment was that I knew that

1229
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:40,660
in goes actual psychic ability was

1230
00:54:44,819 --> 00:54:42,940
really superior in which case and

1231
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,829
because we're able to verify it but

1232
00:54:48,569 --> 00:54:46,480
we're not able to verify what he was

1233
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:48,579
talking about in the book penetration

1234
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:51,490
but I've heard from other psychics that

1235
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:54,490
what he was talking about also happened

1236
00:54:59,519 --> 00:54:56,980
so I don't know it's a scientist I want

1237
00:55:01,740 --> 00:54:59,529
to be able to verify claims and in that

1238
00:55:04,049 --> 00:55:01,750
case I don't have any way of verifying

1239
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:04,059
it so Don you you could explain what the

1240
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:06,490
book of penetration is about well it's

1241
00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:09,849
basically his journey from civilian life

1242
00:55:18,299 --> 00:55:14,920
if you will into sra and a group of

1243
00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:18,309
incredibly talented psychics the likes

1244
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:21,670
of which included Ingo himself people

1245
00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:25,359
like Pat Price others and as he

1246
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:27,700
proceeded along and of course he was a

1247
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:31,900
natural psychic his side talents really

1248
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:35,260
seemed to blossom and they included

1249
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:38,460
everything from remotely viewing I'm

1250
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:41,470
trying to recall I believe it was the

1251
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:44,980
trip out to Saturn he was able to

1252
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,529
remotely view things that later were

1253
00:55:52,529 --> 00:55:49,900
verified through photographs that were

1254
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:52,539
sent back but some of the more bizarre

1255
00:56:00,180 --> 00:55:56,980
stories included an ultra black ultra

1256
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:00,190
top-secret allegedly now I've got to say

1257
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:01,900
I wasn't there but a group of

1258
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:05,970
intelligence people that took Swann to a

1259
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:09,720
undisclosed location with the idea of

1260
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:13,569
remotely viewing an unidentified target

1261
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,450
and they were paying him

1262
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:18,000
for that time a fantastic amount of

1263
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:21,630
money $1,000 a day to remotely view this

1264
00:56:27,319 --> 00:56:24,630
target and according to what Swann said

1265
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:27,329
and what he wrote about in his book it

1266
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:30,780
ended up being the far side of the Moon

1267
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:34,530
and what he described as some type of

1268
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:38,670
base that was their set up and operating

1269
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:42,630
with entities there Swann went on to

1270
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,569
state that as he was remotely viewing

1271
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:47,760
this he had no idea what he was looking

1272
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:51,990
at these entities allegedly acknowledged

1273
00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:55,079
that his presence was there and it

1274
00:56:59,390 --> 00:56:56,700
terrified him of course there were many

1275
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:59,400
other stories that he relayed in the

1276
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,130
book but that was one of the most

1277
00:57:08,059 --> 00:57:05,250
shocking I think anybody that's read it

1278
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,069
will understand what I'm saying I had

1279
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:11,220
had occasion to have a rather extended

1280
00:57:16,579 --> 00:57:14,250
my wife and I and and Ingo Swann and and

1281
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:16,589
one other person to have an extended

1282
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:19,410
dinner with them out here and in the LA

1283
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,049
area the dinner lasted about four and a

1284
00:57:28,819 --> 00:57:25,020
half five hours and I got a say that

1285
00:57:32,359 --> 00:57:28,829
when we were done my personal opinion

1286
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:32,369
was Swann was the real guy you know my

1287
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:35,339
background I was a criminal investigator

1288
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:37,230
and a detective and I've interviewed

1289
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:40,049
over the years many many many people I

1290
00:57:46,579 --> 00:57:44,520
never once detected any attempt to

1291
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:46,589
deceive me now that's not to say that I

1292
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:50,099
couldn't be deceived I got a sense that

1293
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:52,170
he was telling it just like it was being

1294
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,809
I agree and that's that's why it's so

1295
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:56,640
difficult to know what to do with it

1296
00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:59,190
I remember the Ingo telling us that

1297
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:01,170
story before he actually put it down in

1298
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:03,569
print and the similar stories other

1299
00:58:09,289 --> 00:58:07,380
stories about UFOs with inhabitants that

1300
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,299
were able to detect that he was there

1301
00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:11,700
and wanted him to go away and I've since

1302
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:14,299
heard very similar stories from other

1303
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:17,160
expert remote viewers but again we

1304
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:19,380
there's no independent way of verifying

1305
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:22,410
whether these stories are real or some

1306
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:24,750
kind of strange hallucination right we

1307
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:27,450
just don't know in the case of Ingo and

1308
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,890
others like him

1309
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:31,440
because some things that they say they

1310
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:34,470
can do are verifiable or were verifiable

1311
00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:36,569
it raises at least the credibility that

1312
00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:38,579
what they're talking about is real and

1313
00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:41,190
that you mentioned about his viewing of

1314
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,739
a planet it was Jupiter and the

1315
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:45,599
startling thing about that remote

1316
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:47,220
viewing was that he said that there were

1317
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:50,460
rings around Jupiter I'm sorry you're

1318
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:52,049
absolutely correct

1319
00:58:57,979 --> 00:58:55,890
know that there were rings around

1320
00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:57,989
Jupiter until the Voyager spacecraft got

1321
00:59:02,989 --> 00:59:00,210
close enough to be able to see them when

1322
00:59:05,299 --> 00:59:02,999
people say repeatable the thing is is

1323
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,309
that you've got somebody who's first of

1324
00:59:10,579 --> 00:59:07,200
all we don't send probes to Jupiter that

1325
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:10,589
often how do you even consider that you

1326
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:11,960
know when you're dealing with a one-off

1327
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:14,819
where you sent a probe and that somebody

1328
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:16,470
is supposed to use that as a remote

1329
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,690
viewing target it's the same problem

1330
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:20,640
that we have you know a more prosaic

1331
00:59:24,859 --> 00:59:23,369
with a climate change they you know it's

1332
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:24,869
like they asked for something that's

1333
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:26,730
repeatable what about just collecting a

1334
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,440
lot of data that you can analyze later

1335
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,660
and determine whether or not something

1336
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:32,880
was actually the correlation was real

1337
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:35,880
well the answer is that in the case of

1338
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:37,650
remote viewing you can calibrate whether

1339
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:41,220
somebody's reports are correct or not

1340
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:43,140
correct you do experiments in a

1341
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:45,569
laboratory where you're able to test

1342
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:47,249
whether or not they're there on a hot

1343
00:59:50,749 --> 00:59:47,609
streak

1344
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,759
and if they are you then can target them

1345
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:52,859
on something that may take a while to

1346
00:59:57,739 --> 00:59:55,559
get the data like viewing Jupiter but if

1347
01:00:00,079 --> 00:59:57,749
you are viewing something that you can't

1348
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,089
get information on like if you target

1349
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:02,460
somebody on what happened on Mars a

1350
01:00:06,979 --> 01:00:04,890
million years ago we may never know the

1351
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:06,989
answer to that in which case the

1352
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:09,630
information might be fun listened to as

1353
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:12,059
a story if we can't verify it then it

1354
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:14,450
remains a story it's the orbiting

1355
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,890
Bertrand Russell's you can never

1356
01:00:22,579 --> 01:00:19,920
disprove it so but I mean you know the

1357
01:00:24,739 --> 01:00:22,589
whole point of them of him choosing the

1358
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:24,749
target was that the probe could verify

1359
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:27,420
what he was saying I get frustrated when

1360
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:29,130
I hear the word repeatable it's like

1361
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,559
well okay this is kind of a one-off

1362
01:00:35,989 --> 01:00:34,079
thing well what are we gonna do send

1363
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:35,999
another probe and have another Ingo Swan

1364
01:00:41,029 --> 01:00:39,150
do the same experiment I guess what

1365
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:41,039
you're saying is that we would need to

1366
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:42,530
scale the experiment to something

1367
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:45,500
that we could do repeatedly you know in

1368
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a laboratory

1369
01:00:50,890 --> 01:00:48,380
that's why Jessica ODS when asked about

1370
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:50,900
her opinion of these phenomena it's not

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01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:53,480
based on one-offs it's based on lots of

1372
01:00:56,890 --> 01:00:55,310
repeated experiments that are done in

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the laboratory where you know for sure

1374
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,480
whether the remote viewer was accurate

1375
01:01:03,340 --> 01:01:01,520
or not I mean that's how you know and

1376
01:01:06,430 --> 01:01:03,350
when you start doing speculative

1377
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:06,440
viewings of things that are there may or

1378
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:08,750
may not be so it remains at the level of

1379
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:10,520
story but at least in a laboratory you

1380
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can tell whether somebody has a talent

1381
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:14,660
or not it's what a way to get back to

1382
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magic the point of the book real magic

1383
01:01:21,970 --> 01:01:19,910
is to say that when you start studying

1384
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psychic phenomena and you get to a point

1385
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:24,470
where you recognize as a scientist that

1386
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these are real phenomena immediately the

1387
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,020
next question that comes up is well how

1388
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do you explain it how do these things

1389
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work and so that's the question that

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sparked my interest in writing a book

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about magic because it turns out that

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magic the practice of magic and the

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practice of psychic phenomena are

1394
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basically the same thing we know a fair

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amount from a scientific perspective

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about psychic phenomena and then you can

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take that knowledge and cast it back

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into this esoteric tradition and get

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clues to help explain why the psychic

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phenomena work that was really the the

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underlying theme in this book with

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mechanics and the observer problem I

1403
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mean versus the measurement problem

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there's a lot of controversy on this

1405
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:16,460
topic I'd like to get your take on that

1406
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well the observer effect or the

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measurement problem in quantum mechanics

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is not the answer to how psy works what

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it does is that it reminds us that our

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understanding of the nature of the

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physical world is not complete it's

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where at the very beginning of

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understanding the nature of the physical

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world and the measurement problem or the

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observer effect suggests something which

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the esoteric traditions have been saying

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for at least 5,000 or 6,000 years namely

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that there's some aspect of

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consciousness which is related to how

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vendors you know my Princeton's Bell's

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Theorem in other words do you have a

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hidden variables assumption that you're

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drawing into this discussion no I'm

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saying that our understanding of quantum

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mechanics today is a inkling about the

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nature of the physical world it's not as

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we're just starting to understand the

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para cast comm we're having an enjoyable

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session with Dean Radin author of real

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magic

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let me ask you a question here which is

1539
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maybe silly or not but how does

1540
01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:24,210
traditional science reconcile with magic

1541
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:27,270
oh that's an easy question the answer is

1542
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:29,310
it doesn't from a conventional

1543
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:31,710
perspective magic is used as an insult

1544
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:33,870
if you don't like the ear your

1545
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:35,790
colleagues theory about something you

1546
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:37,020
just say well that's magical thinking

1547
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:39,720
it's really used as an insult because

1548
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:42,330
the implication is that magical thinking

1549
01:08:48,020 --> 01:08:44,510
means that something happened for no

1550
01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:48,030
reason at all and of course then science

1551
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:50,070
that's that's the opposite of what

1552
01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:51,810
you're trying to achieve you're looking

1553
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:54,270
for causal explanations so something

1554
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,520
can't occur for no reason at all that's

1555
01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:58,080
why Einstein didn't like quantum

1556
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:00,540
mechanics right he'd said that God

1557
01:09:06,380 --> 01:09:03,270
doesn't play dice with the universe not

1558
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:06,390
random it's not causeless yeah so from a

1559
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:10,200
conventional perspective no the magic is

1560
01:09:14,660 --> 01:09:12,330
impossible and by the same token psychic

1561
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:14,670
phenomena are also impossible talking

1562
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,730
about your research Dean let me ask you

1563
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:20,400
as you were talking in the last segment

1564
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:23,670
I had a phrase pop through my mind

1565
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:26,910
spooky action at a distance does that

1566
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:29,370
figure into your research well that

1567
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:31,410
phrase is referring to quantum

1568
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:34,020
entanglement right and quantum

1569
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:37,620
entanglements might be related to sigh I

1570
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:39,270
mean after all all of the psychic

1571
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:41,790
phenomena are considered strange for one

1572
01:09:47,270 --> 01:09:44,490
reason and one reason only it's because

1573
01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:47,280
they involve experiences that are not

1574
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:50,070
bound by space or time well exactly the

1575
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:51,420
same thing can be said for quantum

1576
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:53,850
entanglement it's not bound by space or

1577
01:09:59,210 --> 01:09:56,640
time so the question is is this a

1578
01:10:01,280 --> 01:09:59,220
coincidence that psychic phenomena and

1579
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:01,290
quantum entanglement are talking about

1580
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:02,570
the same kind of

1581
01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:05,329
outside of space-time effect it might be

1582
01:10:08,109 --> 01:10:06,260
a coincidence

1583
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,119
my personal guess is it is not a

1584
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:10,159
coincidence into saying that there's

1585
01:10:16,629 --> 01:10:14,030
there's aspects of physicality that are

1586
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:16,639
taking place outside of our everyday

1587
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,920
notion of space and time and that

1588
01:10:24,459 --> 01:10:21,679
includes experience our experience

1589
01:10:26,290 --> 01:10:24,469
outside of space and time is what we

1590
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call magic and it is will be call

1591
01:10:29,589 --> 01:10:28,070
psychic phenomena it's the same thing I

1592
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,599
think that a lot of people would

1593
01:10:34,510 --> 01:10:32,000
consider this what Einstein famously

1594
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:34,520
called the spooky action at a distance

1595
01:10:41,109 --> 01:10:37,690
was salt or at least resolved

1596
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,119
demystified by John Bell no I would put

1597
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,560
it slightly differently I would say that

1598
01:10:47,379 --> 01:10:45,440
John bells contribution was finding a

1599
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way of proving whether or not it was

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real or not

1601
01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:51,920
it only deepened the mystery because

1602
01:10:58,419 --> 01:10:55,219
nobody at this point has a sense of what

1603
01:11:01,089 --> 01:10:58,429
kind of ontology this spaceless timeless

1604
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:01,099
domain means there's at least 12

1605
01:11:05,050 --> 01:11:02,570
different interpretations of quantum

1606
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:05,060
mechanics all of which are struggling

1607
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:06,860
with the notion of what do we think we

1608
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,369
mean by reality by the way what I think

1609
01:11:18,879 --> 01:11:16,400
is we don't have the ability to handle

1610
01:11:20,859 --> 01:11:18,889
this mentally I'd like you to hear more

1611
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:20,869
on that because that's what I think I

1612
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,000
think that the reality that we live in

1613
01:11:28,569 --> 01:11:25,280
that we are familiar with is just so far

1614
01:11:30,490 --> 01:11:28,579
beyond darn intuition and that's the

1615
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:30,500
real problem the real problem is not

1616
01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:32,780
that that the rules aren't followed is

1617
01:11:38,350 --> 01:11:35,300
that it's an entirely different type of

1618
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:38,360
ontology than what we are evolved to

1619
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:41,290
think of right but now consider that

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most people most of the time imagine the

1621
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reality is common sense that means it's

1622
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coming through the common senses but we

1623
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now take it for granted that there are

1624
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planets up there and there's a Sun and

1625
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,050
the earth is round and all that stuff

1626
01:12:01,600 --> 01:11:59,360
you don't get that through common sense

1627
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:01,610
we only get that because our common

1628
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:03,170
senses have been extended through

1629
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:05,060
telescopes and microscopes and other

1630
01:12:10,030 --> 01:12:07,489
instruments the nature of common sense

1631
01:12:12,939 --> 01:12:10,040
changes as we get better ways of

1632
01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:12,949
understanding of extending the senses

1633
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and so we haven't reached the end of our

1634
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development of instruments either we

1635
01:12:24,190 --> 01:12:20,600
keep developing new instruments that

1636
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extend what we mean by common sense so

1637
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if we project that out into the future

1638
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we I think we will eventually end up

1639
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with instruments that will radically

1640
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,830
change what we think of as common sense

1641
01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:35,120
when you imagine that as a Venn diagram

1642
01:12:40,150 --> 01:12:36,920
that just keeps getting bigger and

1643
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bigger my prediction that is as one of

1644
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the chapters in my book is on this very

1645
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topic my prediction is that eventually

1646
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the Venn diagram will include what used

1647
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to be called magic it won't be

1648
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considered magic at that point because

1649
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we'll understand it but it will include

1650
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those kinds of phenomena well you know

1651
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:04,270
what we have that problem all the time

1652
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:07,310
where our minds are blown from all these

1653
01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:10,130
things and that makes it more and more

1654
01:13:18,460 --> 01:13:15,320
difficult this by the way is is

1655
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:18,470
something that especially happens not so

1656
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much for spooky action at a distance in

1657
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space because we're used to thinking of

1658
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where we can call somebody a cell phone

1659
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they're far away it's no big deal but if

1660
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you really want to hurt your brain

1661
01:13:35,230 --> 01:13:32,030
you start thinking about extension

1662
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through time because as we know from

1663
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quantum mechanics that entanglement

1664
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works just as well through time as it

1665
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does through space and the same is true

1666
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for psychic phenomena as best as we can

1667
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tell there's no limit in space or time

1668
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:49,720
to how far these connections can go

1669
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experientially so one of the things that

1670
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I try to to push in the book is showing

1671
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that even concepts in magic like like

1672
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making things happen

1673
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that we have tools now a protocols and

1674
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experiments that begin to give us a clue

1675
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about how those things can work and a

1676
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lot of it has to do with a different

1677
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understanding of the nature of time if

1678
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you thought what we're talking about at

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this point makes your brain hurt that

1680
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really makes your brain hurt to such an

1681
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extent that it's difficult even among

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colleagues who are working out these

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protocols to continue to bang away

1684
01:14:34,989 --> 01:14:32,149
this problem because it is so difficult

1685
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so far outside of ordinary ways of

1686
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thinking but it can be done it just

1687
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requires us to be clever and and the

1688
01:14:43,659 --> 01:14:42,109
thing is is that it makes sense that we

1689
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don't have that kind of mechanism to

1690
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think in this place I mean that we don't

1691
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require that for you know the entire

1692
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however many you know millions of years

1693
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that our species has has come come into

1694
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being it doesn't require that I mean

1695
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there there are a lot of things that we

1696
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developed a lot of intuitional type of

1697
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things like you know being able to see

1698
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faces and random patterns is because

1699
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evolutionary speaking if you had a face

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staring at you that was meant that that

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that wasn't something that was going to

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attack you and eat you would kill you so

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you know anything that had bilateral

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symmetry you know and had eyes and it

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was staring at you was for a long period

1706
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of time was this was that very it was a

1707
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threat and you know that's the thing is

1708
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that is that we are not necessarily

1709
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evolved to understand which is what

1710
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you're sent to your point we have to

1711
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extend our intuition through instruments

1712
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and through different models and some

1713
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some of them are extremely anti

1714
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intuitive I mean to this day you know I

1715
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look at the stern-gerlach experiment and

1716
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I think it's extremely anti intuitive I

1717
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mean even the way Julien swinger

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explains it in his books it's it's

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extremely anti intuitive and he knows

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that by giving you that example and

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showing you you know he's explaining the

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measurement problem we're gonna have

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other problems with time and space and

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ads we have Dean Radin author of real

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let me throw out interesting topic here

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I'm a regular guy most people will say

1849
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I'm not but Sam a regular guy and I want

1850
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to try something magical or explore

1851
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magic what should I do I mean we have

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all those fantasy stories where somebody

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tries magic and they get involved in

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something they shouldn't have done and

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they have to deal with all sorts of

1856
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weird stuff that's fiction as a matter

1857
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of fact how do I get involved in magic

1858
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as just a regular guy I would recommend

1859
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for most people to not do that maneet

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IPO anytime you're dealing with a

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practice that has the chance of

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shattering your belief system it's

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important especially not to do it by

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yourself but at least to do it with

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somebody who seems to be have experience

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and some wisdom about what they're doing

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and that there's especially in the case

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with ceremonial magic because people can

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freak out easily so if the easy way to

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do this is just writing magic I was more

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or less forced by my editor to put in a

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chapter on how to do practical magic

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because that's what people are

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interested in so writing magic is one of

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the oldest forms of magic it basically

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says that if you want to have something

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occur you write down on a piece of paper

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the thing that you want that's writing

1879
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magic it brings in several little

1880
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characteristics of magical practice one

1881
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of which is casting a spell so a spell

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has two meanings to it when you cast as

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a magical spell you're casting out into

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the world your intention and you wish

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01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,060
that intention to take place but you

1886
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think about what you're doing in writing

1887
01:23:06,830 --> 01:23:03,360
you are spelling you are putting letters

1888
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together in a symbolic way which stand

1889
01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:09,810
for symbolically the thing that you want

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01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:12,270
so if you wanted to get a cat for

1891
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example you would spell CAT and by doing

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that you are drawing the intention into

1893
01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:22,110
being so the other variety of

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spell-casting is that you draw you draw

1895
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a symbol of a cat's called decidua and

1896
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:29,820
magical practice and in that case the

1897
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:31,860
word draw has two meanings you are

1898
01:23:37,010 --> 01:23:34,560
drawing a symbol and you were drawing

1899
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:37,020
the thing that you want toward you by

1900
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,380
pulling it toward you so this aspect of

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01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:43,260
magic is basically saying that reality

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01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:46,110
is in some sense informational or

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symbolic and so if you create a symbol

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01:23:55,670 --> 01:23:51,810
for something it is resonating with the

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:55,680
thing itself and if it if it's a strong

1906
01:24:01,460 --> 01:23:58,410
enough resonance you will pull it into

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01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:01,470
being that's the idea of sympathetic

1908
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:05,100
magic so this is why affirmations are so

1909
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,760
popular there's a huge book category of

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01:24:12,860 --> 01:24:11,280
affirmations which are talking about the

1911
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:12,870
same thing and you can see this all the

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01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:14,010
way through history people have been

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01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:16,650
using the same technique to have a very

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01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:19,020
clear sense of the thing that you want

1915
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:21,990
you write it down you make a symbol you

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01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:24,060
can do various kinds of ceremonial

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01:24:30,650 --> 01:24:28,410
practices to establish the reality of

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01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:30,660
the thing that you want and then their

1919
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:33,960
various ways of so-called charging that

1920
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:37,860
symbol usually with emotion or with

1921
01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:40,380
ceremonies or rituals and then you let

1922
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:43,230
it go and it creates the equivalent at

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01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,480
an analogue of something like a

1924
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:48,000
gravitational pull it pulls it into

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01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,580
being so there's an easy and relatively

1926
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:53,040
safe way of practicing magic I've been

1927
01:25:00,320 --> 01:24:56,070
studying parent the paranormal for

1928
01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:00,330
decades and one thing and I personally

1929
01:25:05,870 --> 01:25:02,940
would not have one of these devices in

1930
01:25:08,420 --> 01:25:05,880
my home but one of the things that many

1931
01:25:11,470 --> 01:25:08,430
many people that have really no

1932
01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:11,480
knowledge or experience about will

1933
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:15,270
utilize something called a Ouija board

1934
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:21,240
okay and I have been I have been exposed

1935
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:25,080
to many many articles stories and

1936
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:27,900
testimony about the negative effects

1937
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:31,560
that can happen with a device of that

1938
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:34,920
type where do you come down on this I'm

1939
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,490
sure you

1940
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,400
know exactly what I'm talking about so

1941
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:41,760
the danger of a Ouija board is that it

1942
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:43,650
allows your unconscious to express

1943
01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:46,260
itself in a way that you may not be

1944
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,460
prepared for so but it's the Ouija board

1945
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:53,760
is nothing magical by itself the

1946
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:56,910
pendulum can be used the eaching connect

1947
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:58,110
in the same way there are lots of

1948
01:26:02,690 --> 01:26:00,750
divination methods that are all looking

1949
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:02,700
doing the same kind of thing it allows

1950
01:26:07,490 --> 01:26:04,490
your unconscious to be expressed

1951
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,500
especially for for younger people there

1952
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:09,360
will be some percentage one or two

1953
01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:12,990
percentage of people doing this who are

1954
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:15,990
harboring unconsciously fears and

1955
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:18,600
emotions that they are consciously

1956
01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:20,790
suppressing and they can become

1957
01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:24,270
psychotic as a result of unleashing the

1958
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:26,190
this part of their unconscious and

1959
01:26:31,580 --> 01:26:28,920
making it manifest meaning making it

1960
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:31,590
show up in front of them so this is

1961
01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:33,750
another example of why I recommend that

1962
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:37,020
in cases of Theo G talking to spirits

1963
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,820
trying to evoke spirits all of that

1964
01:26:44,210 --> 01:26:41,520
stuff should really be done under adult

1965
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:44,220
supervision and particularly adults who

1966
01:26:49,630 --> 01:26:46,410
know what they're doing because of the

1967
01:26:52,940 --> 01:26:49,640
danger of a small percentage of people

1968
01:26:55,190 --> 01:26:52,950
freaking out really seriously and in a

1969
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:55,200
bad way and may not be able to recover

1970
01:27:00,260 --> 01:26:57,300
from it this doesn't mean that you're

1971
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:00,270
literally a vocal evil coming down upon

1972
01:27:06,170 --> 01:27:03,330
you it's more likely your internal sense

1973
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:06,180
of not having complete control over who

1974
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:08,280
we think we are we're we're

1975
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:10,590
multi-layered and most of the time we

1976
01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:12,600
just live in the very tippy top layer

1977
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:16,380
which is the thing that we call me or

1978
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:19,250
you but there's a lot more below that

1979
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:22,890
question talked about the board it's not

1980
01:27:27,950 --> 01:27:25,380
necessarily magical and yet there's

1981
01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:27,960
something magical that maybe happens in

1982
01:27:33,140 --> 01:27:29,880
the process of using a Ouija board I

1983
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:33,150
guess we can both agree to that point so

1984
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:36,450
my question is where does the magical

1985
01:27:42,170 --> 01:27:40,800
begin and the non magical end okay so

1986
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:42,180
that's a very good question and it is

1987
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:44,340
relevant to what happens with the Ouija

1988
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:47,760
board as far as I can tell where we're

1989
01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:48,900
talking about

1990
01:27:53,090 --> 01:27:51,150
magic being a very deep level of

1991
01:27:56,150 --> 01:27:53,100
consciousness it's not at the surface

1992
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:56,160
level it's not the everyday level of

1993
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,530
awareness it's a very deep level it

1994
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:00,480
happens at what a magician would call

1995
01:28:06,980 --> 01:28:04,080
gnosis or widow's a yogi would call

1996
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:06,990
Samadhi or what a mystic would call a

1997
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:08,820
mystical experience it's a very deep

1998
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:12,210
levels of of reality which is related in

1999
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:14,730
some way to consciousness so the danger

2000
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:17,820
of a Ouija board is that because you can

2001
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:20,130
dissociate your conscious awareness from

2002
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:21,510
your unconscious you help your

2003
01:28:26,090 --> 01:28:24,090
unconscious appear as a result of what's

2004
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:26,100
happening with the planchette on the on

2005
01:28:32,510 --> 01:28:29,490
the Ouija board you are tapping into a

2006
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:32,520
deeper portion of your awareness and if

2007
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:34,650
you don't know what you're doing at that

2008
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:37,320
level you can allow self destructive

2009
01:28:42,890 --> 01:28:40,800
processes to come out so we already have

2010
01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:42,900
destructive processes where we're eating

2011
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:44,280
a cookie and we know that we shouldn't

2012
01:28:48,350 --> 01:28:46,440
but you find your hand reaching for the

2013
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:48,360
cookie any way that your unconscious

2014
01:28:53,420 --> 01:28:51,120
your body that's overcoming your your

2015
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:53,430
impulse control and making you do

2016
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:55,170
something that you don't want to do well

2017
01:28:59,120 --> 01:28:56,460
the same thing would happen in this case

2018
01:29:00,320 --> 01:28:59,130
that if you're unleashing aspects of

2019
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:00,330
your unconscious which may be

2020
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,490
self-destructive you're asking for

2021
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:04,560
trouble so what you're saying is that

2022
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,260
the magical is kind of like a feedback

2023
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:09,840
through consciousness I guess what I'm

2024
01:29:13,450 --> 01:29:11,730
trying to ask is are you making an

2025
01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:13,460
ontological distinction between

2026
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:15,750
something in the magical realm and

2027
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:19,110
something in the world I'm gonna say the

2028
01:29:23,090 --> 01:29:20,850
world is the mental and the physical the

2029
01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:23,100
world we live in there's no strict

2030
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distinction if there's some there's a

2031
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:27,990
spectrum the top of the spectrum we can

2032
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:30,480
think of as above the surface of the

2033
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,970
ocean so when you look at it's what

2034
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:34,500
looks like an iceberg you know that

2035
01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:35,910
there's a huge amount underneath there

2036
01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:38,030
so we're going to think of this as a

2037
01:29:42,970 --> 01:29:40,670
parallel with something about physics

2038
01:29:45,130 --> 01:29:42,980
classical physics is above the water

2039
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:45,140
conscious awareness is above the water

2040
01:29:50,630 --> 01:29:48,570
you dive just below the surface you bump

2041
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into the beginnings of quantum mechanics

2042
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and you bump into the beginnings of your

2043
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unconscious but we don't know how far

2044
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:57,930
down it goes it goes probably goes down

2045
01:30:01,850 --> 01:30:00,480
as far as we can imagine but now think

2046
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:01,860
of a metaphor

2047
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of bubble had a very very deep in the

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ocean and now when the bubble comes up

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it becomes bigger and bigger and bigger

2050
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because atmospheric pressure is changing

2051
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and by the same token if you have an

2052
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intention at a very deep level of

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consciousness it could start out as the

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equivalent of a tiny little bubble but

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by the time it reaches the surface it

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2154
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2155
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neighbor learn more now by going to

2156
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2157
01:34:56,430 --> 01:34:53,350
that's Liberty on called org this is

2158
01:34:58,169 --> 01:34:56,440
wrong fire cluster of Cyclopes and other

2159
01:35:00,380 --> 01:34:58,179
books when you're listening to the

2160
01:35:13,150 --> 01:35:02,290
[Music]

2161
01:35:18,010 --> 01:35:13,160
I didn't want to make that silly joke

2162
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:18,020
Dean about the monster that's re can you

2163
01:35:25,230 --> 01:35:22,730
create under magic something that just

2164
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:25,240
comes into existence that wasn't there

2165
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:29,930
you mean like a Tulpa gene sure well a

2166
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:33,890
Tulpa or these a golem it's there it's

2167
01:35:38,890 --> 01:35:36,410
just not animated I would consider that

2168
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:38,900
as a form of black magic

2169
01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:41,210
in fact that is black magic you're

2170
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:43,490
taking two forms one is that you're

2171
01:35:47,380 --> 01:35:45,920
getting other people to do something

2172
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:47,390
that they may not want to do that's

2173
01:35:53,170 --> 01:35:49,850
black magic the other one is to animate

2174
01:35:57,700 --> 01:35:53,180
something that is not living and so as

2175
01:36:00,640 --> 01:35:57,710
an interesting side bar here when in

2176
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:00,650
2010 when the Supreme Court made

2177
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:03,860
corporations persons through Citizens

2178
01:36:08,650 --> 01:36:06,680
United that from a magical perspective

2179
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:08,660
was black magic and just as you have

2180
01:36:13,330 --> 01:36:11,810
with the idea of a golem that the the

2181
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:13,340
hope with a golem is that you can get

2182
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:16,400
this this thing of clay to act on your

2183
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:19,880
behalf but sometimes it gets some mind

2184
01:36:25,150 --> 01:36:22,130
of its own and it will start destroying

2185
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:25,160
things like the Frankenstein story well

2186
01:36:29,950 --> 01:36:27,770
it looks like citizens united has taken

2187
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:29,960
on a life of its own and is in some

2188
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:33,050
respects destroying the country a mind

2189
01:36:35,770 --> 01:36:33,860
of its own

2190
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:35,780
I mean it's interesting you used to say

2191
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:38,270
that so much in the world that we you

2192
01:36:42,730 --> 01:36:40,730
know we look at ourselves and we could

2193
01:36:45,130 --> 01:36:42,740
consider ourselves as the universe

2194
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,140
taking and making a mind of its own I

2195
01:36:51,310 --> 01:36:47,840
mean we are a product of the universe

2196
01:36:53,290 --> 01:36:51,320
the universe is just there let me ask

2197
01:36:56,590 --> 01:36:53,300
you because from what I've heard so far

2198
01:37:00,670 --> 01:36:56,600
during this program I'm kind of getting

2199
01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:00,680
two signals from you okay from the way

2200
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:03,740
you're describing magic and magical

2201
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:07,130
practices on the one hand there may be

2202
01:37:13,930 --> 01:37:10,820
something that a practitioner can

2203
01:37:16,180 --> 01:37:13,940
utilize from outside but then I'm

2204
01:37:18,610 --> 01:37:16,190
getting the impression that they

2205
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:18,620
sickly what you're saying is everything

2206
01:37:26,890 --> 01:37:23,570
flows from within the practitioner here

2207
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:26,900
or herself in other word to coin a

2208
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:30,850
phrase from a 1950s sci-fi movie

2209
01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:36,250
monsters of the IDI do you discount all

2210
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:41,260
possibility of exterior influences and

2211
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:44,480
basically state that everything is

2212
01:37:50,290 --> 01:37:47,110
flowing from within the individual

2213
01:37:52,030 --> 01:37:50,300
himself or herself well ultimately I

2214
01:37:54,490 --> 01:37:52,040
think that the magic is coming from

2215
01:37:57,460 --> 01:37:54,500
consciousness that is where the magic

2216
01:37:59,500 --> 01:37:57,470
resides however you could take a

2217
01:38:03,010 --> 01:37:59,510
psychedelic which is a real physical

2218
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,020
thing and that will alter your conscious

2219
01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:06,320
perception of reality and perhaps push

2220
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:08,540
you further down in metaphorically

2221
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:10,550
speaking well you can do the same thing

2222
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:11,930
with a bottle of tequila

2223
01:38:19,060 --> 01:38:16,610
but the tequila will will suppress I

2224
01:38:21,490 --> 01:38:19,070
mean that's as a sedative and that's not

2225
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:21,500
where you want to go but yes and in

2226
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:24,140
principle anything which pushes you out

2227
01:38:30,130 --> 01:38:27,110
of an ordinary state of awareness is

2228
01:38:33,940 --> 01:38:30,140
going to improve psychic ability and

2229
01:38:36,010 --> 01:38:33,950
probably magical ability to well I think

2230
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:36,020
I think what we're forgetting right here

2231
01:38:43,450 --> 01:38:39,190
you know we've been talking about magic

2232
01:38:46,810 --> 01:38:43,460
but I think there's a fundamental theory

2233
01:38:48,610 --> 01:38:46,820
about how it works and and I'm wondering

2234
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:48,620
what that is I mean there has to be

2235
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:51,440
something that makes it understandable

2236
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:55,010
to us in some kind of in terms I'm gonna

2237
01:38:58,690 --> 01:38:56,930
call them mental I'm not gonna call them

2238
01:39:00,520 --> 01:38:58,700
physical I'm just gonna call them it's

2239
01:39:02,970 --> 01:39:00,530
it's just some terms that we can

2240
01:39:06,220 --> 01:39:02,980
intuitively understand and what is that

2241
01:39:09,370 --> 01:39:06,230
that is consciousness that's what it is

2242
01:39:11,260 --> 01:39:09,380
but what is consciousness well that we

2243
01:39:15,310 --> 01:39:11,270
don't know but what we do know is that

2244
01:39:18,190 --> 01:39:15,320
what you enjoy as your experience as

2245
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,200
your sense of awareness I call little

2246
01:39:24,190 --> 01:39:20,480
sea consciousness with a little sea

2247
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:24,200
right but what the esoteric traditions

2248
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:27,530
say and all of them basically we're

2249
01:39:29,780 --> 01:39:29,330
talking about ten thousand years of

2250
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:29,790
history

2251
01:39:35,450 --> 01:39:31,730
they all say that ultimately

2252
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:35,460
consciousness with a big C is universal

2253
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:36,930
there's some kind of universal

2254
01:39:42,260 --> 01:39:39,330
consciousness but you enjoy with a

2255
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,270
little C inside your head is the same

2256
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:44,880
stuff it's made out of the same stuff

2257
01:39:49,790 --> 01:39:47,310
and then you see this and virtually

2258
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:49,800
every religion has this every esoteric

2259
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:51,510
practice they all see the same thing

2260
01:39:56,510 --> 01:39:54,360
this is absolutely far away from the

2261
01:39:58,730 --> 01:39:56,520
current scientific worldview I would

2262
01:40:01,400 --> 01:39:58,740
disagree with that I mean I I know a lot

2263
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:01,410
of scientists or science people

2264
01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:03,570
I won't call them scientists but I know

2265
01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:06,270
a lot of people who do not take that

2266
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:09,030
viewpoint they they realize that the

2267
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:10,980
mental and the physical and the universe

2268
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:14,400
itself is all one thing and it's not

2269
01:40:19,970 --> 01:40:16,890
something you can divide into so you can

2270
01:40:22,010 --> 01:40:19,980
segment it's and what we consider to be

2271
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:22,020
physical is not necessarily something

2272
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:24,000
that's fully understood just because we

2273
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:26,340
can give names to it I mean I'm not

2274
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:27,600
disagreeing with you

2275
01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:29,910
partially I'm just just saying that

2276
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:31,320
there are a lot of people that I met

2277
01:40:38,570 --> 01:40:34,890
whose ontology has developed beyond the

2278
01:40:40,340 --> 01:40:38,580
Cartesian dualism of the you know of the

2279
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,350
18th century the night you know in the

2280
01:40:45,530 --> 01:40:43,440
19th century and so forth and I think

2281
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:45,540
that's the biggest problem that's one of

2282
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:48,600
the biggest problems yeah well I agree

2283
01:40:53,660 --> 01:40:51,210
that most scientists are our monists and

2284
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:53,670
the two directions that we're talking

2285
01:40:58,940 --> 01:40:56,580
about then is materialism which is what

2286
01:41:01,610 --> 01:40:58,950
the scientific worldview is based on the

2287
01:41:04,220 --> 01:41:01,620
other side though is idealism so

2288
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:04,230
basically what I'm saying is that magic

2289
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:06,540
makes a lot of sense from an idealist

2290
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:08,520
point of view it makes no sense at all

2291
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:10,770
from a materialistic point of view but

2292
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:14,010
what is matter except for a bunch of

2293
01:41:18,140 --> 01:41:16,410
labels that we place on you know we call

2294
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:18,150
it an electron do we even know what an

2295
01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:20,940
electron is we can describe it we can

2296
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:22,440
talk about its quantum mechanical

2297
01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:24,930
properties we can say that it interacts

2298
01:41:30,290 --> 01:41:27,750
with a with a proton I think the problem

2299
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:30,300
here Dean is that a lot of people assume

2300
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:32,370
that when you start labeling things and

2301
01:41:36,110 --> 01:41:34,650
talking about a few a handful of

2302
01:41:39,230 --> 01:41:36,120
relationships that they're able to

2303
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:39,240
gather from their equipment is that that

2304
01:41:43,410 --> 01:41:41,340
somehow is the sum and total of all

2305
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:43,420
being and I think that's the real

2306
01:41:49,050 --> 01:41:46,210
for all well yeah it's a it's a language

2307
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:49,060
problem but still most scientists are

2308
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:51,730
taught that ultimately if you go down to

2309
01:41:56,700 --> 01:41:54,250
the bottom of everything we're talking

2310
01:41:58,530 --> 01:41:56,710
about matter and energy as the

2311
01:42:01,169 --> 01:41:58,540
fundamental and this is one of the

2312
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,179
reasons why and when you start from that

2313
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:03,760
as a baseline that the in the

2314
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:06,850
neuroscience is it is believed or is at

2315
01:42:12,930 --> 01:42:09,960
least it's taught that your awareness

2316
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:12,940
comes out of the brain activity and

2317
01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:16,960
that's the end of the story so if that

2318
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,270
is the way that the neuro sciences have

2319
01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:22,000
proceeded that ultimately you are made

2320
01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:24,160
out of neurons which are made out of

2321
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:26,260
atoms ultimately and made out of energy

2322
01:42:31,530 --> 01:42:29,050
ultimately and that's it this is why

2323
01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:31,540
within within the mainstream scientific

2324
01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:33,640
viewpoint consciousness is really not

2325
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:35,830
that important it's like at the tail end

2326
01:42:42,419 --> 01:42:40,000
of this system of emergence it starts

2327
01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:42,429
with atoms or quanta or something like

2328
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:44,620
that there's a lot of people that I've

2329
01:42:50,370 --> 01:42:47,380
met and you know I won't name any names

2330
01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:50,380
but they you know I often told them I

2331
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:53,380
said there it's really it would not be

2332
01:42:59,820 --> 01:42:56,800
hard for mater to exhibit consciousness

2333
01:43:02,970 --> 01:42:59,830
from a you know and we're an example of

2334
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,980
that and so they say well well I can

2335
01:43:06,630 --> 01:43:04,960
never imagine they can imagine for it

2336
01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:06,640
for instance that our brains with the

2337
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:09,460
neurons and all of those synapses can

2338
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:11,320
have consciousness but they can't

2339
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:14,410
imagine an FPGA with NAND gates having

2340
01:43:18,570 --> 01:43:16,000
the same and I asked them what's the

2341
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:18,580
difference and they don't bad they never

2342
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:21,070
can give me an answer in other words I

2343
01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:23,050
think that fundamentally consciousness

2344
01:43:28,530 --> 01:43:26,380
is something that that pervades the

2345
01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:28,540
entire universe and that's how we came

2346
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:31,000
into being because how else would we

2347
01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:32,320
come into being if there's not

2348
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:34,030
consciousness in the universe it doesn't

2349
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:35,110
make any sense

2350
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:38,370
yeah well what you're saying now is is

2351
01:43:45,209 --> 01:43:41,710
completely new it's it's a new way of

2352
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,219
thinking because even twenty years ago

2353
01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:47,199
you would have been laughed at by most

2354
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:49,660
scientists and that is the the one of

2355
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:52,449
the main points in the book is to point

2356
01:43:56,770 --> 01:43:54,610
out that when it's a leading edge of

2357
01:43:59,859 --> 01:43:56,780
science today there's a

2358
01:44:02,379 --> 01:43:59,869
growing realization that what we used to

2359
01:44:04,270 --> 01:44:02,389
be thought of as a we live in a purely

2360
01:44:06,879 --> 01:44:04,280
materialistic world and all there is is

2361
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:06,889
matter and energy that idea is going

2362
01:44:12,129 --> 01:44:09,610
away fast and what's interesting is that

2363
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:12,139
it's going away fast and in the

2364
01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:15,110
direction that will accommodate the idea

2365
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:17,270
of magic that's why I'm saying that the

2366
01:44:23,529 --> 01:44:20,480
we're looking at the future of science

2367
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:23,539
here not the past magic because we

2368
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,650
didn't know what else to call it

2369
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:27,199
I'm gonna stay in the same church but

2370
01:44:36,279 --> 01:44:30,489
I'm gonna go to a different cue okay

2371
01:44:40,419 --> 01:44:36,289
okay the 42nd Pew well this will give

2372
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,429
him time to consider his answer as we do

2373
01:44:46,540 --> 01:44:43,280
this show today we've just recently lost

2374
01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:46,550
several very noteworthy people they have

2375
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:49,880
passed on now there are those who say

2376
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:52,880
that once you are gone you are gone

2377
01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:55,750
we're talking about things like

2378
01:45:02,350 --> 01:44:59,000
consciousness where do you fall down on

2379
01:45:03,459 --> 01:45:02,360
what happens when the human body itself

2380
01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:03,469
expires

2381
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:06,590
is there a continuation in in your

2382
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:08,570
belief structure we've got to have that

2383
01:45:16,299 --> 01:45:12,170
answer as we move forward final third of

2384
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:16,309
this episode with Dean Jean it rhymes

2385
01:45:32,419 --> 01:45:27,350
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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here's Jane Steinberg

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[Music]

2440
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:03,850
okay so Don Ecker asks a question of our

2441
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:06,010
guest Dean Radin an author of real magic

2442
01:48:12,180 --> 01:48:09,490
and sir we have a response the question

2443
01:48:15,690 --> 01:48:12,190
is does does consciousness survive

2444
01:48:17,940 --> 01:48:15,700
bodily death I think the answer is that

2445
01:48:20,490 --> 01:48:17,950
we certainly don't know we don't know

2446
01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:20,500
empirically but I have worked with

2447
01:48:26,940 --> 01:48:23,830
mediums and mediums claim that they are

2448
01:48:29,820 --> 01:48:26,950
talking to deceased people we were able

2449
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,830
to verify and in double-blind

2450
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:31,840
experiments that the informations are

2451
01:48:38,490 --> 01:48:35,440
getting from deceased people is correct

2452
01:48:40,530 --> 01:48:38,500
but unfortunately we actually never know

2453
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,540
where that information comes from it's

2454
01:48:43,650 --> 01:48:42,400
not it's not through normal channels it

2455
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:43,660
might be telepathy it might be

2456
01:48:47,850 --> 01:48:45,040
clairvoyance it might be who knows what

2457
01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:47,860
but my guess is that if consciousness is

2458
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:50,920
also is the ground basis of reality as

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01:48:56,370 --> 01:48:53,290
best as we can tell and the physical

2460
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,380
world emerges from that that suggests

2461
01:49:00,110 --> 01:48:57,760
that there may be an infinite number of

2462
01:49:03,060 --> 01:49:00,120
ways that something can be embodied

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01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:03,070
which is the human body is just one form

2464
01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:05,850
it happens to be particularly well tuned

2465
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:09,160
form and probably related to the

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01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:11,530
structure of the brain in some way that

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01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:12,910
allows consciousness to be

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01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:15,490
self-reflective and and for us to have a

2469
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,310
bit of intelligence but we might have

2470
01:49:23,010 --> 01:49:20,800
also imagined that the Sun is a very

2471
01:49:25,110 --> 01:49:23,020
complicated dynamic system with lots of

2472
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:25,120
recursive loops and all that the Sun

2473
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:27,130
might be aware we just don't have any

2474
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:29,950
way of telling if it's aware Michael was

2475
01:49:34,110 --> 01:49:31,810
mentioning an FPGA well who is

2476
01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:34,120
sufficiently complicated maybe it to

2477
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:36,910
whatever service you could have a

2478
01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:39,480
network of FPGAs all instantly

2479
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:41,830
reprogramming the other to reprogram the

2480
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:44,710
nen gates of the other yeah or the

2481
01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:46,570
Internet is aware right because it's

2482
01:49:51,150 --> 01:49:49,750
pretty complicated - my question is when

2483
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:51,160
we talk about survive

2484
01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:53,410
of consciousness what we would is

2485
01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:55,870
typically really meant is that the

2486
01:50:02,760 --> 01:49:59,200
personality survives so like what you

2487
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:02,770
feel as yourself right now will be the

2488
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:05,410
same in some form that's like the vision

2489
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:07,090
of heaven that you are exactly the same

2490
01:50:09,390 --> 01:50:07,780
as you are

2491
01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:09,400
maybe your body is younger and

2492
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:11,740
everything is fine I don't think that's

2493
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:14,050
gonna happen so I think our notion of

2494
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:17,110
self here is also a problem I mean like

2495
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:18,490
for instance I know that the

2496
01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:20,560
consciousness that I have is very

2497
01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:22,360
similar to the one that my grandfather

2498
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:25,150
my grandparents and my dad had at my

2499
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:27,310
same age I mean we we have very similar

2500
01:50:33,420 --> 01:50:30,370
interests I mean how do I know that I'm

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01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:33,430
not just my dad with amnesia living

2502
01:50:40,050 --> 01:50:36,480
forward in time you know our concept of

2503
01:50:43,230 --> 01:50:40,060
you know cells I think is a problem here

2504
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:43,240
we often try to think of that you know

2505
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:46,450
in terms of you know concrete

2506
01:50:50,490 --> 01:50:48,190
particulars but I don't think it is a

2507
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:50,500
concrete particular well that that's

2508
01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:53,410
well said it's the the notion that we

2509
01:50:59,160 --> 01:50:56,440
actually understand what the self is is

2510
01:51:01,200 --> 01:50:59,170
not clear at all in fact if you go go

2511
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:01,210
into Buddhist lore there is no self

2512
01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:04,090
right there's no individual so one of my

2513
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:06,160
favorite quotes is from Ramana Maharshi

2514
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:11,340
the Indian sage when he was asked Oh

2515
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:13,630
Ramana Maharshi how should we treat

2516
01:51:19,470 --> 01:51:16,780
other people and his response was there

2517
01:51:21,660 --> 01:51:19,480
are no other people right from that

2518
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:21,670
perspective if wouldn't especially hear

2519
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:23,530
this from meditators that they you get

2520
01:51:28,710 --> 01:51:25,510
really good at meditation after a while

2521
01:51:31,140 --> 01:51:28,720
you can gain complete awareness even

2522
01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:31,150
while you're sleeping but there's no you

2523
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:31,900
anymore

2524
01:51:36,330 --> 01:51:34,090
the you part which is all about your

2525
01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:36,340
memories and your personality that

2526
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:41,710
somehow dissolves from a dream and you

2527
01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:43,300
just felt like you didn't feel like

2528
01:51:46,440 --> 01:51:44,710
yourself for a few minutes because you

2529
01:51:48,660 --> 01:51:46,450
had a dream that you lived some other

2530
01:51:50,370 --> 01:51:48,670
lifetime I've had that experience a few

2531
01:51:52,740 --> 01:51:50,380
times and I will tell you it's very

2532
01:51:54,570 --> 01:51:52,750
unnerving to wake up in a world that you

2533
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:54,580
don't recognize for a few minutes

2534
01:51:59,190 --> 01:51:56,370
because you've been dreaming so hard

2535
01:52:02,250 --> 01:51:59,200
it's very difficult or just take the

2536
01:52:05,340 --> 01:52:02,260
drug versed right it's an amnesic drug

2537
01:52:07,230 --> 01:52:05,350
and you you're gone you'll operate

2538
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:07,240
perfectly well for a while but your

2539
01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:09,310
there's no you anymore because it

2540
01:52:15,150 --> 01:52:12,580
suppresses it or inhibits it so my guess

2541
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:15,160
is that when a person dies there will be

2542
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:17,950
a moment of confusion because you're so

2543
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:21,010
we're so linked to their body itself but

2544
01:52:25,530 --> 01:52:23,440
the awareness will remain it's just that

2545
01:52:29,940 --> 01:52:25,540
you what you think of as yourself will

2546
01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:29,950
not remain I had what was in retrospect

2547
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:34,440
a classical nde near-death experience

2548
01:52:43,380 --> 01:52:38,890
where I literally died on the operating

2549
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:43,390
table and I still to this day distinctly

2550
01:52:50,910 --> 01:52:46,960
remember suddenly peering down upon

2551
01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:50,920
myself from I don't know 15 20 feet

2552
01:52:56,940 --> 01:52:54,070
within the operating theatre and seeing

2553
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:56,950
the doctors and nurses working on my

2554
01:53:00,180 --> 01:52:57,370
body

2555
01:53:03,630 --> 01:53:00,190
they were basically massaging my heart

2556
01:53:09,170 --> 01:53:03,640
to bring me back and I distinctly recall

2557
01:53:13,050 --> 01:53:09,180
that now if nothing else just from that

2558
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:13,060
experience I would have to say in my

2559
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:16,840
opinion there is something beyond mere

2560
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:19,890
physical life that there is something

2561
01:53:31,940 --> 01:53:22,810
afterwards I don't know perhaps some I'm

2562
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:35,300
amazing experience but I would say Don

2563
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:38,560
was the the thing that was seeing your

2564
01:53:45,450 --> 01:53:42,880
body below you was that Don oh yes

2565
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:45,460
oh sure your awareness was the same a

2566
01:53:50,340 --> 01:53:47,590
kind of awareness as you have now it

2567
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,350
happened in Vietnam Dean I was I was

2568
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:53,440
badly wounded you know this this was

2569
01:54:00,480 --> 01:53:57,010
something that probably will never leave

2570
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:00,490
me the the memory of that yeah that's

2571
01:54:07,620 --> 01:54:03,760
what that's what most NDE survivors say

2572
01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:07,630
that it's it's not like a memory it's

2573
01:54:12,510 --> 01:54:10,780
something that is as vivid 20 years

2574
01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:12,520
after or 30 years after as a day it

2575
01:54:16,890 --> 01:54:14,740
happened and so we we don't quite

2576
01:54:17,170 --> 01:54:16,900
understand why that is why that memory

2577
01:54:21,420 --> 01:54:17,180
would

2578
01:54:24,190 --> 01:54:21,430
so startlingly clear the the

2579
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:24,200
interpretation problem though is that we

2580
01:54:28,660 --> 01:54:26,090
know that the moment you go out of

2581
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:28,670
ordinary awareness the sharper your

2582
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:31,730
psychic ability becomes and so since we

2583
01:54:35,220 --> 01:54:33,260
know from remote viewing that you can

2584
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:35,230
see things from different perspectives

2585
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:38,480
it's conceivable at least that in

2586
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:40,610
process of the body shutting down that

2587
01:54:45,820 --> 01:54:43,910
the year consciousness is released from

2588
01:54:47,860 --> 01:54:45,830
all of the usual psychological filters

2589
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:47,870
that we have for a short period of time

2590
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,510
like in a dream I mean this is the space

2591
01:54:53,950 --> 01:54:52,400
of time of a dream can be very short

2592
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:53,960
even though the experience to be very

2593
01:55:00,250 --> 01:54:56,960
long you can literally see things from a

2594
01:55:03,490 --> 01:55:00,260
distance what we don't know is if NDE

2595
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:03,500
went on for hours or days and the person

2596
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:06,800
ultimately dies completely we don't know

2597
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:08,330
how to bring somebody back who has been

2598
01:55:13,090 --> 01:55:10,730
dead for a couple of days so we can't

2599
01:55:14,530 --> 01:55:13,100
tell what what is happening there but as

2600
01:55:17,710 --> 01:55:14,540
resuscitation gets better and better

2601
01:55:20,740 --> 01:55:17,720
maybe we will eventually get get a

2602
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:20,750
version of flatlining where we're able

2603
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,550
to tell what happens in a person that is

2604
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:24,800
really triple dead it reminds me of that

2605
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:27,770
movie Flatliners where in order to gauge

2606
01:55:35,020 --> 01:55:31,970
the reaction they each flatline

2607
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:35,030
themselves these young scientists

2608
01:55:40,810 --> 01:55:38,450
including Julia Roberts and well anyway

2609
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:40,820
was a kind of a fun film and of course

2610
01:55:45,190 --> 01:55:43,250
we had the typical crisis where it's

2611
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:45,200
difficult to get one of them back I

2612
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:47,210
don't know if they succeeded or not the

2613
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:49,310
other part of the memory that that was

2614
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:52,370
so clear to me was the clarity of

2615
01:55:58,840 --> 01:55:55,730
everything I was witnessing when I had

2616
01:56:01,990 --> 01:55:58,850
an OBE when I was taking a nap and this

2617
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:02,000
happened probably 40 years ago this

2618
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:05,390
stuck with me also where I was napping

2619
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:09,170
in my bed and suddenly I was standing

2620
01:56:15,340 --> 01:56:13,070
there looking at myself when I realized

2621
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:15,350
what I was witnessing it was so shocking

2622
01:56:20,770 --> 01:56:19,070
I immediately woke up before we go on

2623
01:56:22,210 --> 01:56:20,780
with our next segment with Dean Radin I

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just want to talk to you about a couple

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of things coming up on the power cast

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next week will feature a Nick Redfern

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about Slenderman not batman superman but

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you know that kind of thing we're an

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urban legend somehow becomes something

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para cast comm you see I'm trying to be

2750
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decent and I asking Dean Radin to do the

2751
02:02:10,460 --> 02:02:08,610
para cast because no no he's a

2752
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distinguished gentleman we don't want to

2753
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bring him down to our level I would only

2754
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do it if there was an echo that went

2755
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that's not the way it should be said

2756
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with a the accent of Vincent Price even

2757
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though bela lugosi is even better

2758
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Bela Lugosi Bella Lugosi is interesting

2759
02:02:39,110 --> 02:02:35,280
I think of Martin Landau playing him in

2760
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the movie Ed Wood and he sounded more

2761
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:41,940
than like he had a Jewish accent that

2762
02:02:49,130 --> 02:02:43,920
always kind of put me off I don't think

2763
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:49,140
he got Lugosi 'z lingo properly romanian

2764
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:53,850
or something he was but then if we did

2765
02:02:58,220 --> 02:02:56,130
Bela Lugosi we'd all have to start

2766
02:03:00,440 --> 02:02:58,230
shooting morphine and I'm not gonna do

2767
02:03:02,450 --> 02:03:00,450
that you know you have to kind of give

2768
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:02,460
him a little understanding here it's

2769
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kind of like opioids today he had a back

2770
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problem and he took morphine to control

2771
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:12,930
the pain and he got addicted and so you

2772
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:14,930
know I kind of feel sorry for the guy

2773
02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:17,490
because of the fact that they had this

2774
02:03:22,970 --> 02:03:20,280
condition it happens and he was really

2775
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in bad shape by the time he got himself

2776
02:03:28,220 --> 02:03:25,890
off if he was really frail in his final

2777
02:03:30,190 --> 02:03:28,230
years so I feel sorry for the guy I

2778
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:30,200
really did was I don't think he ever

2779
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:33,930
realized his potential as an actor his

2780
02:03:38,630 --> 02:03:36,210
fellow horror film actor Boris Karloff

2781
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you know he did everything he was had a

2782
02:03:44,750 --> 02:03:42,140
great career Lugosi after the initial

2783
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:44,760
Dracula and a few other films he became

2784
02:03:48,770 --> 02:03:47,010
a b-movie actor for the most part and

2785
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:48,780
then see movie actor when he started

2786
02:03:52,169 --> 02:03:50,730
working with that would anyway why are

2787
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:52,179
we talking about this

2788
02:03:57,209 --> 02:03:54,110
because that's the voice that's

2789
02:03:59,609 --> 02:03:57,219
necessary in order to say the para cast

2790
02:04:02,020 --> 02:03:59,619
yeah exactly

2791
02:04:05,620 --> 02:04:02,030
well if I can find somebody who does a

2792
02:04:08,799 --> 02:04:05,630
good imitation Christopher Walken would

2793
02:04:11,770 --> 02:04:08,809
be good too yeah yeah

2794
02:04:15,819 --> 02:04:11,780
squirrels peanuts yeah

2795
02:04:19,839 --> 02:04:15,829
no I'm talking about yeah so what are we

2796
02:04:20,919 --> 02:04:19,849
talking about again sorry I gotta do

2797
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:20,929
something right now huh

2798
02:04:32,290 --> 02:04:27,050
what are we doing you see this is where

2799
02:04:35,919 --> 02:04:32,300
the show becomes go ahead Jane this is

2800
02:04:37,629 --> 02:04:35,929
where the show goes down the tubes no

2801
02:04:37,839 --> 02:04:37,639
it's okay I had another question by the

2802
02:04:40,209 --> 02:04:37,849
way

2803
02:04:45,459 --> 02:04:40,219
you want to give it to us as Christopher

2804
02:04:47,470 --> 02:04:45,469
Walken yeah it's okay it's a 30 so I

2805
02:04:49,209 --> 02:04:47,480
don't know he's Thomas Metzinger he's

2806
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one of the leading philosophers he

2807
02:04:53,339 --> 02:04:51,070
brought a book called the Eagle tunnel

2808
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:53,349
how long do you want me to do this

2809
02:04:59,709 --> 02:04:56,719
anyways I'm not gonna do I'm not gonna

2810
02:05:03,750 --> 02:04:59,719
do Christopher Walken but why is he

2811
02:05:06,330 --> 02:05:03,760
gonna be walking huh what's that

2812
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:06,340
otherwise you're gonna be walking

2813
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:09,530
exactly I'm gonna be walking someone do

2814
02:05:15,790 --> 02:05:13,730
that yeah anyways you know Dean was

2815
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:15,800
talking about out-of-body experiences

2816
02:05:20,350 --> 02:05:18,650
and one of the things that I you know is

2817
02:05:22,660 --> 02:05:20,360
he's a philosopher by the name of Thomas

2818
02:05:25,419 --> 02:05:22,670
Messinger he wrote a book called the ego

2819
02:05:28,510 --> 02:05:25,429
tunnel he wrote a book called the being

2820
02:05:31,629 --> 02:05:28,520
no.1 and he actually has an experiment

2821
02:05:33,810 --> 02:05:31,639
where he seemed where he forces somebody

2822
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:33,820
to experience an out-of-body experience

2823
02:05:40,330 --> 02:05:38,090
by standing an individual in a room with

2824
02:05:42,330 --> 02:05:40,340
a camera on that person that's the same

2825
02:05:44,979 --> 02:05:42,340
body type and the person behind them

2826
02:05:47,140 --> 02:05:44,989
he's not really that person but he

2827
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:47,150
thinks he's that person because he's got

2828
02:05:53,410 --> 02:05:49,489
a virtual reality headset on and

2829
02:05:55,359 --> 02:05:53,420
basically he sees the guy rubbing the

2830
02:05:57,790 --> 02:05:55,369
shoulders of the guy that's not him and

2831
02:05:59,700 --> 02:05:57,800
he feels an out-of-body experience it's

2832
02:06:03,479 --> 02:05:59,710
in the ego tunnel it's very interesting

2833
02:06:06,990 --> 02:06:03,489
it's basically a laboratory created OBE

2834
02:06:10,540 --> 02:06:07,000
it's closest thing I can get

2835
02:06:13,390 --> 02:06:10,550
no I mean it's interesting and I may not

2836
02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:13,400
have done it justice but it's a it's

2837
02:06:21,190 --> 02:06:18,320
it's laboratory created OBE and it's a

2838
02:06:22,990 --> 02:06:21,200
it's like the phantom arm experiment

2839
02:06:25,660 --> 02:06:23,000
where you you know you put a rubber arm

2840
02:06:27,730 --> 02:06:25,670
on the desk and you put the arm the

2841
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:27,740
person's real arm goes under the desk

2842
02:06:33,340 --> 02:06:30,560
and they simultaneously stimulate his

2843
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:33,350
finger the person under the arm and the

2844
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:35,930
one on top and because of the syncro

2845
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:39,410
Gnaeus effect they imagine they're

2846
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:42,110
phenomenal self model as what thomas

2847
02:06:48,490 --> 02:06:45,890
Metzinger calls it snaps itself in to

2848
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:48,500
that fake arm and they feel like that

2849
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:51,290
that arm is theirs it's very interesting

2850
02:06:58,420 --> 02:06:55,610
it's a really weird phenomenon whereby

2851
02:07:02,770 --> 02:06:58,430
the phenomenal self model becomes this

2852
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:02,780
plastic as you would you know as if you

2853
02:07:10,090 --> 02:07:06,920
are on LSD yeah we use that in the lab

2854
02:07:13,380 --> 02:07:10,100
all the time to illustrate to people how

2855
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:13,390
flexible your sense of self actually is

2856
02:07:20,200 --> 02:07:16,130
most most people will transfer their

2857
02:07:22,750 --> 02:07:20,210
sense of feeling from their actual hand

2858
02:07:33,670 --> 02:07:22,760
to a rubber hand and about thirty

2859
02:07:36,580 --> 02:07:33,680
Seconds it's shocking it's creepy it's

2860
02:07:38,740 --> 02:07:36,590
creepy how quickly your mind your

2861
02:07:42,130 --> 02:07:38,750
phenomenal self model and I'm gonna use

2862
02:07:45,310 --> 02:07:42,140
his term for lack of a better term snaps

2863
02:07:47,860 --> 02:07:45,320
into that inanimate object and becomes

2864
02:07:51,310 --> 02:07:47,870
yours and that and he goes on to say

2865
02:07:53,950 --> 02:07:51,320
that the feeling of - is a very plastic

2866
02:07:57,670 --> 02:07:53,960
it's like a computer program that can be

2867
02:07:59,920 --> 02:07:57,680
rewritten yeah I mean it's amazing so we

2868
02:08:02,440 --> 02:07:59,930
can look forward with better and better

2869
02:08:05,770 --> 02:08:02,450
virtual reality systems to transfer

2870
02:08:08,770 --> 02:08:05,780
entire bodies yeah I think so like the

2871
02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:08,780
movie avatar was probably where we were

2872
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:11,270
within a year or two of being able to do

2873
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:12,110
something like that

2874
02:08:16,210 --> 02:08:14,330
so anyways they still want to meet the

2875
02:08:17,380 --> 02:08:16,220
do my Walker impression because I'm not

2876
02:08:18,899 --> 02:08:17,390
doing it anymore

2877
02:08:22,169 --> 02:08:18,909
yeah well tell you what

2878
02:08:23,459 --> 02:08:22,179
walking stop walking okay gotcha all

2879
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,469
right let me don't have to do that

2880
02:08:27,390 --> 02:08:25,840
because otherwise this show will go down

2881
02:08:29,550 --> 02:08:27,400
the tubes and some people think we've

2882
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:29,560
already gone down the tubes and I said

2883
02:08:33,419 --> 02:08:31,330
no we've gone down the youtubes so we

2884
02:08:35,310 --> 02:08:33,429
have a YouTube channel official forecast

2885
02:08:36,270 --> 02:08:35,320
channel on YouTube you see how I got

2886
02:08:40,770 --> 02:08:36,280
into that folks

2887
02:08:44,220 --> 02:08:40,780
it's called being the segue king of the

2888
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:44,230
universe you are chained with your puns

2889
02:08:49,379 --> 02:08:47,590
to end the segment I have to say well we

2890
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,389
have a minute before the segment ends

2891
02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:50,800
and I don't want to go into it

2892
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:52,650
I want going to consciousness though

2893
02:08:56,879 --> 02:08:54,639
because obviously when you think of

2894
02:09:00,600 --> 02:08:56,889
consciousness and whether consciousness

2895
02:09:03,500 --> 02:09:00,610
will persist after life ends what do you

2896
02:09:06,689 --> 02:09:03,510
think Dean Radin about reincarnation I

2897
02:09:08,970 --> 02:09:06,699
like the idea of reincarnation except as

2898
02:09:10,530 --> 02:09:08,980
I mentioned in the book that there's

2899
02:09:14,939 --> 02:09:10,540
always the risk that you might become

2900
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:14,949
reincarnated as a manatee I don't want

2901
02:09:19,410 --> 02:09:17,920
to be me reincarnated as a manatee so if

2902
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:19,420
you have some of the choice of the

2903
02:09:23,700 --> 02:09:21,520
matter well then you can pick and choose

2904
02:09:26,729 --> 02:09:23,710
it might be fun but if you don't have

2905
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much choice well then that's a risk and

2906
02:09:30,510 --> 02:09:28,780
the thing I don't understand never did

2907
02:09:32,879 --> 02:09:30,520
now go into more of this in the next

2908
02:09:35,399 --> 02:09:32,889
segment is if you're meant to learn

2909
02:09:38,399 --> 02:09:35,409
something when you return to this life

2910
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:38,409
as another person if you have no memory

2911
02:09:44,220 --> 02:09:42,010
of your previous life how do you learn

2912
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:44,230
how do you improve or is that something

2913
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that is instinctive in any case how

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have war with Don Ecker

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Michael Allen Dean Radin is our guest of

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the week I'm gene you're in the para

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whether we can bring on any magical

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effects darn it I have reverb yeah

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discussing things like karmic debt and

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what have you you know relearning

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a lesson and doing better the next time

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around now I've had people that were

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into spiritualism tell me that the self

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whatever it is within us basically

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agrees beforehand before they are now do

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I know this is true absolutely not but

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before they reincarnate they agree to

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certain things in order to satisfy karma

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02:16:01,100 --> 02:15:57,270
now that that's a really nice thought

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does it have any basis in no pun

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intended in reality I have no idea but

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then with all the disciplines that

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you've been involved in how do you how

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do you feel about that well I agree that

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it seems like a waste if you have a

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lifetime of experience and then it just

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is extinguished that just seems like a

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bad design so I attempted to register a

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complaint that the design process went

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haywire but from a story perspective at

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least the idea is that when you're dead

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you are some Bardo intermediate state

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and you do remember so you have a choice

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and learn something and the next time

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you don't remember it while you're

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embodied but you do in between lives so

3058
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that that model makes more sense to me

3059
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:51,120
otherwise it really is a poor design and

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should be changed well you know a few

3061
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years ago a friend of mine called me up

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said hey there is something on YouTube

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you've got to watch and they sent me the

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link I went up to you too but I watched

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this and it was about a young boy and

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this was allegedly the the real deal a

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true story

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this young boy from the time he was

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about 2 or 3 years old used to wake up

3070
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screaming and his parents had no idea

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what was wrong they rushed into his room

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and he would gobble on about Oh the

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little man is burning up in the airplane

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he's burning up the airplane and they

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had no idea what the kid was was talking

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about they took him to a child

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psychologist the psychologist worked

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with them and eventually this child's

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story began to come out he started

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giving them some information that they

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tracked down eventually they came to the

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conclusion that during the second world

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war he had been a pilot that had been

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shot down over a japanese-held Island

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and he ended up crashing into the water

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the plane exploded or burned or

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something and the the guy died now they

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were able to identify what aircraft

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carrier American aircraft carrier the

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the pilot a little edge idli flew from

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02:18:41,849 --> 02:18:37,479
and who the guy was now you know when I

3092
02:18:45,049 --> 02:18:41,859
hear a story like that and the person in

3093
02:18:48,330 --> 02:18:45,059
question comes up with a lot of these

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important data points that people are

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02:18:54,959 --> 02:18:51,729
able to verify that really makes me sit

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02:18:57,839 --> 02:18:54,969
down and go hmm what do you think about

3097
02:19:00,299 --> 02:18:57,849
that deems well I know Jim Tucker who

3098
02:19:02,759 --> 02:19:00,309
who wrote the book on this he's

3099
02:19:04,679 --> 02:19:02,769
convinced that the the story is true

3100
02:19:06,990 --> 02:19:04,689
because the child really was very small

3101
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:07,000
when he was coming out with these things

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and of course the the group at the

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University of Virginia for

3104
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many years has been studying

3105
02:19:18,570 --> 02:19:15,729
reincarnation stories and young young

3106
02:19:21,419 --> 02:19:18,580
children from a case study perspective

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02:19:24,179 --> 02:19:21,429
it looks pretty good it looks like how

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02:19:27,089 --> 02:19:24,189
are these young kids saying things that

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02:19:29,219 --> 02:19:27,099
were verifiably correct about adults who

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had or previous people who had passed

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away when it comes down to the actual

3112
02:19:38,759 --> 02:19:34,420
interpretation though of does that mean

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02:19:40,110 --> 02:19:38,769
that they are a reincarnation well maybe

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02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:40,120
maybe not

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because the moment that we step away

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from everyday reality like if you

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persist and you're no longer embodied

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02:19:52,559 --> 02:19:50,260
maybe space and time or don't operate in

3119
02:19:55,679 --> 02:19:52,569
the same way fact it's very likely that

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space and time are a construction in a

3121
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sense of your brain processes in which

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02:20:02,910 --> 02:20:00,609
case why should something only

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reincarnate forward in time maybe it

3124
02:20:06,719 --> 02:20:04,359
goes backwards in time maybe it goes

3125
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:06,729
sideways even our understanding of what

3126
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:08,770
we think we mean by reincarnation is

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02:20:13,410 --> 02:20:11,410
probably wrong it has an analogy in

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entropy which by the way can go

3129
02:20:18,090 --> 02:20:16,000
backwards as well as forward in time our

3130
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understanding of the one of the laws of

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thermodynamics we always think of it as

3132
02:20:25,469 --> 02:20:22,779
going forward I'm still you know

3133
02:20:27,690 --> 02:20:25,479
concerned about the lack of learning

3134
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:27,700
ability on the other hand you kind of

3135
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:30,010
think here why do we have to come back

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02:20:35,550 --> 02:20:33,010
here maybe we go to another place maybe

3137
02:20:38,849 --> 02:20:35,560
it's a dimensional passage yeah or

3138
02:20:40,830 --> 02:20:38,859
another planet or another existence some

3139
02:20:42,599 --> 02:20:40,840
theories of reincarnation is that you

3140
02:20:45,179 --> 02:20:42,609
would only reincarnate into higher and

3141
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:45,189
higher life-forms but that's a story

3142
02:20:51,150 --> 02:20:48,010
maybe you can reincarnate into an atom

3143
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:51,160
or reincarnate into who knows what well

3144
02:20:55,650 --> 02:20:52,960
I know people who look at me and say

3145
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:55,660
he's gonna reincarnate into a what knows

3146
02:21:02,340 --> 02:21:00,640
what there you go so I like the idea of

3147
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:02,350
reincarnation that makes sense from a

3148
02:21:07,980 --> 02:21:05,290
memory perspective where we're gaining

3149
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:07,990
information and an experience that is

3150
02:21:12,380 --> 02:21:10,479
not going to be thrown away no one likes

3151
02:21:15,420 --> 02:21:12,390
to think that their life has no meaning

3152
02:21:17,250 --> 02:21:15,430
but at this point it's a lot like our

3153
02:21:19,769 --> 02:21:17,260
proper interpretation of near-death

3154
02:21:22,200 --> 02:21:19,779
experience a lot of other things until

3155
02:21:24,060 --> 02:21:22,210
we can figure out a way of rigorously

3156
02:21:25,980 --> 02:21:24,070
testing these I

3157
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:25,990
and then all were left with her two

3158
02:21:31,890 --> 02:21:29,050
stories and this so we don't we a story

3159
02:21:34,171 --> 02:21:31,900
is a story maybe it's true maybe our

3160
02:21:37,410 --> 02:21:34,181
interpretation of it is not correct it

3161
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:37,420
reminds me of a line in Star Trek for

3162
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:40,960
the voyage home where of course we know

3163
02:21:47,671 --> 02:21:43,690
in the Star Trek three Spock was dead

3164
02:21:52,591 --> 02:21:47,681
but his soul has Katra or whatever it

3165
02:21:55,921 --> 02:21:52,601
was was stored inside dr. McCoy and

3166
02:21:58,410 --> 02:21:55,931
there's a line there where dr. McCoy

3167
02:22:02,551 --> 02:21:58,420
says you've really gone where no man has

3168
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:02,561
gone before and he tries to share some

3169
02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:05,530
information with Spock and he and Spock

3170
02:22:11,610 --> 02:22:07,990
says we have no frame of reference in

3171
02:22:14,671 --> 02:22:11,620
effect in this line we was saying and

3172
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:14,681
dr. McCoy was upset over it is I'd have

3173
02:22:17,810 --> 02:22:16,450
to be dead to understand what happened

3174
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:17,820
to you hmm

3175
02:22:25,020 --> 02:22:23,530
yeah yeah that that's well said so I'd

3176
02:22:27,150 --> 02:22:25,030
like to think that eventually we will be

3177
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:27,160
clever enough to figure out how these

3178
02:22:32,251 --> 02:22:29,050
things work but I kind of suspect that

3179
02:22:34,921 --> 02:22:32,261
as homo sapiens were not equipped to do

3180
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:34,931
that we either need to be homo superior

3181
02:22:39,301 --> 02:22:37,330
which could either be ourselves that are

3182
02:22:42,650 --> 02:22:39,311
enhanced in some way through some kind

3183
02:22:45,060 --> 02:22:42,660
of AI system or something like that or

3184
02:22:48,780 --> 02:22:45,070
genetically modified either

3185
02:22:51,751 --> 02:22:48,790
intentionally or pushed by evolution to

3186
02:22:54,390 --> 02:22:51,761
become a mutation that simply has a lot

3187
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:54,400
more capacity to understand things in

3188
02:22:57,690 --> 02:22:55,690
the create language to be able to

3189
02:23:00,660 --> 02:22:57,700
describe it you know we're genetically

3190
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:00,670
speaking it is only 20 years ago that we

3191
02:23:05,671 --> 02:23:03,040
realize that we have less genes than a

3192
02:23:14,251 --> 02:23:05,681
banana we're just barely beginning to

3193
02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:14,261
understand who and what we are so so

3194
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:15,730
there's a lot of a lot of mystery

3195
02:23:19,950 --> 02:23:18,130
affected much probably an infinite

3196
02:23:23,251 --> 02:23:19,960
amount more mystery left and that we

3197
02:23:25,381 --> 02:23:23,261
currently understand so we want to know

3198
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:25,391
these questions which is why we have a

3199
02:23:30,841 --> 02:23:27,250
radio show like yours they try to

3200
02:23:32,881 --> 02:23:30,851
discuss it but I'm I'm trying to take

3201
02:23:35,980 --> 02:23:32,891
the long view here and just imagine that

3202
02:23:39,161 --> 02:23:35,990
a scientist should be way more

3203
02:23:42,371 --> 02:23:39,171
than many are in the face of a vast

3204
02:23:44,921 --> 02:23:42,381
unknown well then I'm not you know if

3205
02:23:48,041 --> 02:23:44,931
it's true that bananas have more genes

3206
02:23:50,321 --> 02:23:48,051
than a human being I'm not aware of any

3207
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banana that ever designed and built the

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you know designed a Porsche okay so what

3210
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does that actually mean well I think the

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people who are who ingrained where the

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liability of a Porsche need to learn

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something we're going to have a final

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and the coming of the protectors find

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OIG's are Ock oids calm hear that that's

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and what they don't steal will be

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3306
02:29:00,229 --> 02:28:57,210
we continue our final segment here

3307
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:00,239
frames of reference do you envision a

3308
02:29:07,189 --> 02:29:03,930
day Dean Radin where we'll accept magic

3309
02:29:10,370 --> 02:29:07,199
as mainstream as much as we accept

3310
02:29:12,739 --> 02:29:10,380
traditional science yes except it won't

3311
02:29:14,929 --> 02:29:12,749
be called magic then it will be called

3312
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:14,939
some some other name that will come up

3313
02:29:19,729 --> 02:29:17,520
with hey that's a good name it's some

3314
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:19,739
other name that will come up with yeah

3315
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:22,890
magic magic ISM is a category just like

3316
02:29:27,620 --> 02:29:25,770
physical just like mental is I'm sorry

3317
02:29:30,139 --> 02:29:27,630
to break into this but it's just a

3318
02:29:32,179 --> 02:29:30,149
category that we've invented we've

3319
02:29:35,239 --> 02:29:32,189
invented it to talk about something that

3320
02:29:37,130 --> 02:29:35,249
we don't understand right as does our

3321
02:29:38,989 --> 02:29:37,140
arthur c clarke said that any

3322
02:29:42,260 --> 02:29:38,999
sufficiently advanced technology is

3323
02:29:44,540 --> 02:29:42,270
indistinguishable from magic so once we

3324
02:29:46,609 --> 02:29:44,550
understand it it will be distinguishable

3325
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:46,619
and will still probably use the word

3326
02:29:50,179 --> 02:29:47,850
magic for things that we don't

3327
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:50,189
understand what just traditionally be

3328
02:29:55,160 --> 02:29:52,170
called been called magic we will

3329
02:29:56,899 --> 02:29:55,170
understand and reality and the world at

3330
02:29:59,179 --> 02:29:56,909
that time will be quite different than

3331
02:30:02,330 --> 02:29:59,189
the way it is now I think about that

3332
02:30:04,189 --> 02:30:02,340
when we consider things like UFOs and

3333
02:30:07,069 --> 02:30:04,199
the possibility we're being visited by

3334
02:30:10,670 --> 02:30:07,079
creatures from other planets and what

3335
02:30:12,739 --> 02:30:10,680
hits me is imagine these beings are not

3336
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:12,749
hundreds of years ahead of us but

3337
02:30:17,960 --> 02:30:15,210
thousands of years and they had a steady

3338
02:30:20,599 --> 02:30:17,970
or almost linear progression of

3339
02:30:22,969 --> 02:30:20,609
scientific development or it gets faster

3340
02:30:26,029 --> 02:30:22,979
and faster how the heck would we even

3341
02:30:28,069 --> 02:30:26,039
recognize their technology we wouldn't

3342
02:30:31,069 --> 02:30:28,079
and so at the last chapter and in my

3343
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:31,079
book is about implications of a better

3344
02:30:36,830 --> 02:30:33,600
understanding of magic in a particular

3345
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,840
about the possibility of communicating

3346
02:30:41,479 --> 02:30:38,640
with with alien life-forms that are

3347
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:41,489
advanced beyond us my conclusion was

3348
02:30:46,519 --> 02:30:43,680
that the methods that were using now

3349
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:46,529
which is primarily radio waves to try to

3350
02:30:50,689 --> 02:30:48,930
to pick up intelligent life and the

3351
02:30:52,819 --> 02:30:50,699
universe is we might as well be using

3352
02:30:55,069 --> 02:30:52,829
smoke signals because that's not the way

3353
02:30:58,099 --> 02:30:55,079
it would work I don't think well maybe

3354
02:30:59,689 --> 02:30:58,109
happening is that the aliens among us I

3355
02:31:02,689 --> 02:30:59,699
think the universe is saturated with

3356
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:02,699
life but it's very far advanced from us

3357
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:03,530
they

3358
02:31:08,171 --> 02:31:05,690
Quotes have realized at this point that

3359
02:31:10,450 --> 02:31:08,181
the ultimately reality is shaped by

3360
02:31:13,091 --> 02:31:10,460
consciousness in some way so they're

3361
02:31:15,970 --> 02:31:13,101
waiting for Humanity to evolve to a

3362
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:15,980
point where we recognize that and so the

3363
02:31:19,091 --> 02:31:18,050
day when we actually understand magic a

3364
02:31:21,671 --> 02:31:19,101
lot better than we do today

3365
02:31:24,970 --> 02:31:21,681
that'll be the day that we we actually

3366
02:31:26,950 --> 02:31:24,980
will be contacted by the people out

3367
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:26,960
there or the creatures out there who are

3368
02:31:30,820 --> 02:31:29,330
waiting for us to wake up we're still

3369
02:31:33,220 --> 02:31:30,830
adolescents we're actually younger than

3370
02:31:34,870 --> 02:31:33,230
adolescents we're infants we're

3371
02:31:36,551 --> 02:31:34,880
beginning to realize something about the

3372
02:31:40,030 --> 02:31:36,561
nature of reality but we're not quite

3373
02:31:42,461 --> 02:31:40,040
mature enough to be contacted in the

3374
02:31:45,461 --> 02:31:42,471
same sense that if you were to come upon

3375
02:31:47,770 --> 02:31:45,471
a group of babies playing you don't want

3376
02:31:50,020 --> 02:31:47,780
to interfere with them because they they

3377
02:31:52,180 --> 02:31:50,030
can't do anything yet we have to wait

3378
02:31:54,881 --> 02:31:52,190
till or at least able to be social and

3379
02:31:57,940 --> 02:31:54,891
express their thoughts and then you

3380
02:32:00,761 --> 02:31:57,950
contact them or in some cases they may

3381
02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:00,771
contact us but they have to adjust or

3382
02:32:05,381 --> 02:32:03,110
tailor the message to something we can

3383
02:32:08,530 --> 02:32:05,391
understand like in the movie contact

3384
02:32:10,690 --> 02:32:08,540
where Jodie Foster sees et or what I

3385
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:10,700
appears to be eating the form of her

3386
02:32:15,790 --> 02:32:12,800
late father with whom she had issues

3387
02:32:17,740 --> 02:32:15,800
because the creature says to her you

3388
02:32:19,961 --> 02:32:17,750
would not be able to accept my true

3389
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:19,971
appearance right where he comes from the

3390
02:32:23,770 --> 02:32:21,050
Q continuum

3391
02:32:25,450 --> 02:32:23,780
yeah hole cue character was very

3392
02:32:28,330 --> 02:32:25,460
annoying never really liked that

3393
02:32:31,211 --> 02:32:28,340
character very much but the idea of a

3394
02:32:33,671 --> 02:32:31,221
creature that was pure energy that could

3395
02:32:36,370 --> 02:32:33,681
manipulate itself into any shape it

3396
02:32:38,470 --> 02:32:36,380
wanted sure yeah I mean if if the

3397
02:32:40,810 --> 02:32:38,480
postulate that consciousness is really

3398
02:32:42,341 --> 02:32:40,820
fundamental if that's true and I think

3399
02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:42,351
there's evidence of it is something like

3400
02:32:48,341 --> 02:32:45,440
that is true then a cue like character

3401
02:32:49,450 --> 02:32:48,351
could very well exist we perceive it as

3402
02:32:52,030 --> 02:32:49,460
something like an incredible

3403
02:32:53,650 --> 02:32:52,040
shapeshifter but nevertheless it it

3404
02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:53,660
could do almost anything that we can

3405
02:32:59,200 --> 02:32:55,610
imagine anything that it could imagine -

3406
02:33:02,740 --> 02:32:59,210
maybe we should take dr. Steven Hawkings

3407
02:33:05,770 --> 02:33:02,750
a Venetian due to heart and go out of

3408
02:33:08,530 --> 02:33:05,780
our way to avoid any contact currently

3409
02:33:10,301 --> 02:33:08,540
with extraterrestrials I don't think

3410
02:33:12,220 --> 02:33:10,311
that's a problem I think that anything

3411
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:12,230
that could detect that we were trying to

3412
02:33:16,241 --> 02:33:14,090
contact them would be so far advanced

3413
02:33:18,131 --> 02:33:16,251
for our loss they wouldn't

3414
02:33:21,011 --> 02:33:18,141
would not have anything to do with us

3415
02:33:23,951 --> 02:33:21,021
all of our space stories which are

3416
02:33:25,901 --> 02:33:23,961
basically stories about like warfare in

3417
02:33:27,430 --> 02:33:25,911
space they're all assuming that the

3418
02:33:29,831 --> 02:33:27,440
aliens are approximately at the same

3419
02:33:32,111 --> 02:33:29,841
level of development as we are all of it

3420
02:33:34,541 --> 02:33:32,121
I call a Star Wars Star Trek it all

3421
02:33:36,730 --> 02:33:34,551
assumes that the aliens are first of all

3422
02:33:38,501 --> 02:33:36,740
humanoid and second that they're at the

3423
02:33:40,991 --> 02:33:38,511
same level of development and that is

3424
02:33:43,631 --> 02:33:41,001
extremely unlikely well you know with

3425
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:43,641
Star Trek not quite we have the Horta

3426
02:33:49,720 --> 02:33:46,610
like rock creatures we have energy

3427
02:33:52,571 --> 02:33:49,730
creatures so most of the creatures were

3428
02:33:54,911 --> 02:33:52,581
humanoid mostly because it was easier

3429
02:33:58,031 --> 02:33:54,921
and cheaper to configure them that way

3430
02:34:01,180 --> 02:33:58,041
and to write them that way some were not

3431
02:34:04,270 --> 02:34:01,190
right some were not but the as you said

3432
02:34:07,361 --> 02:34:04,280
for theatrical reasons the interactions

3433
02:34:09,791 --> 02:34:07,371
with aliens that were maybe not in the

3434
02:34:12,461 --> 02:34:09,801
shape of humans but kind of human-like

3435
02:34:14,261 --> 02:34:12,471
we could talk to them and the problems

3436
02:34:17,261 --> 02:34:14,271
that they had were basically soap operas

3437
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:17,271
or war things that we could understand

3438
02:34:22,541 --> 02:34:19,610
that's why we meet something that is

3439
02:34:24,310 --> 02:34:22,551
truly alien I think probably one of the

3440
02:34:27,551 --> 02:34:24,320
best movies I saw recently about this

3441
02:34:30,251 --> 02:34:27,561
was arrival where the story itself was a

3442
02:34:33,850 --> 02:34:30,261
fabulous story but the notion of the

3443
02:34:35,230 --> 02:34:33,860
aliens being so different from us that

3444
02:34:37,390 --> 02:34:35,240
you only get at the very end of the

3445
02:34:40,511 --> 02:34:37,400
movie what was actually going on that

3446
02:34:43,841 --> 02:34:40,521
was a good story a scientist the

3447
02:34:46,361 --> 02:34:43,851
linguist was played by Lois Lane if you

3448
02:34:49,781 --> 02:34:46,371
remember Amy Adams played Lois Lane in

3449
02:34:50,770 --> 02:34:49,791
Man of Steel Oh Batman Superman and

3450
02:34:54,251 --> 02:34:50,780
Justice League

3451
02:34:56,591 --> 02:34:54,261
yeah well that's appropriate I saw like

3452
02:34:58,751 --> 02:34:56,601
two-thirds of the movie we rented it for

3453
02:35:00,611 --> 02:34:58,761
one of these 48-hour periods I think it

3454
02:35:03,131 --> 02:35:00,621
was only 24 then where that this

3455
02:35:06,220 --> 02:35:03,141
horrible thing where you had 30 days to

3456
02:35:07,691 --> 02:35:06,230
start the movie 24 hours to see it and

3457
02:35:09,041 --> 02:35:07,701
we never got a chance to finish it and I

3458
02:35:12,310 --> 02:35:09,051
just said you know what I'm not gonna

3459
02:35:14,890 --> 02:35:12,320
spend for getting to see the full movie

3460
02:35:18,491 --> 02:35:14,900
I'll wait till it's on free cable right

3461
02:35:23,951 --> 02:35:18,501
that's why I won't spoil it that it's

3462
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:23,961
very good I will not allow it I won't

3463
02:35:27,941 --> 02:35:25,610
have that what you can do though is what

3464
02:35:29,650 --> 02:35:27,951
I did afterwards is go find the original

3465
02:35:31,720 --> 02:35:29,660
short story and the short

3466
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:31,730
story is actually quite different it's

3467
02:35:35,860 --> 02:35:33,290
the same theme but it's different enough

3468
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:35,870
from the movie you would don't want to

3469
02:35:39,341 --> 02:35:37,040
read that either because it would be a

3470
02:35:41,140 --> 02:35:39,351
spoiler but the story is worth reading

3471
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also it's quite a short story

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well it's interesting to see how many

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stories generated sci-fi movies whereas

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the actual story the actual movie was

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very different from the source material

3476
02:35:58,750 --> 02:35:55,700
for the Day the Earth Stood Still the

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02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:58,760
source material for Total Recall who

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goes there

3479
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:03,380
of course the thing right and then the

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02:36:07,870 --> 02:36:05,930
thing I think was a shape-shifter wasn't

3481
02:36:10,270 --> 02:36:07,880
it would be able to change its

3482
02:36:12,670 --> 02:36:10,280
appearance in different ways Dean Radin

3483
02:36:14,830 --> 02:36:12,680
would you tell our listeners please if

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02:36:17,530 --> 02:36:14,840
they know more about what you do where

3485
02:36:19,810 --> 02:36:17,540
they can check out well you go to Dean

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02:36:22,360 --> 02:36:19,820
Radin comm and that will bring you to

3487
02:36:24,430 --> 02:36:22,370
Dean Radin org and that will tell you

3488
02:36:27,341 --> 02:36:24,440
all about my new book real magic

3489
02:36:30,430 --> 02:36:27,351
they won't explain in great detail why

3490
02:36:31,900 --> 02:36:30,440
it was endorsed by Nobel laureates but

3491
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it will give you a whole bunch of other

3492
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:33,920
endorsements I forget how many I have

3493
02:36:38,051 --> 02:36:36,110
something like fifteen or twenty showing

3494
02:36:39,820 --> 02:36:38,061
that from a scientific perspective if

3495
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:39,830
you want to know about magic then you

3496
02:36:43,511 --> 02:36:41,450
need to get this book and actually I

3497
02:36:46,030 --> 02:36:43,521
also recommend the audiobook cuz the

3498
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:46,040
reader of the audiobook is the same guy

3499
02:36:51,460 --> 02:36:49,130
voice artists who read most of the Dan

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02:36:54,730 --> 02:36:51,470
Brown books so he's really really good

3501
02:36:57,790 --> 02:36:54,740
at reading I bet he sent Tom Hanks the

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02:37:00,280 --> 02:36:57,800
bill I hope so I haven't gotten the bill

3503
02:37:02,500 --> 02:37:00,290
yet but I hope I don't get it it's a

3504
02:37:05,381 --> 02:37:02,510
really good talent to be able to read a

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02:37:07,780 --> 02:37:05,391
nonfiction book which is my book is

3506
02:37:11,290 --> 02:37:07,790
nonfiction it's to still grab your

3507
02:37:13,210 --> 02:37:11,300
attention that's that's a real talent

3508
02:37:15,131 --> 02:37:13,220
for an e-book reader Dean this is

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02:37:17,770 --> 02:37:15,141
available in every possible form you can

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02:37:18,370 --> 02:37:17,780
imagine at every bookstore that you can

3511
02:37:21,460 --> 02:37:18,380
imagine

3512
02:37:23,230 --> 02:37:21,470
physical and virtual however you can

3513
02:37:28,060 --> 02:37:23,240
send a check to Dean and have him read

3514
02:37:31,660 --> 02:37:28,070
it to you no I will not number of my my

3515
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:31,670
fans said would I read the book and I

3516
02:37:35,500 --> 02:37:34,010
said no I will not read the book because

3517
02:37:39,370 --> 02:37:35,510
I'm not a voice artist

3518
02:37:40,750 --> 02:37:39,380
I can't portray even what I wrote in a

3519
02:37:42,520 --> 02:37:40,760
way that I think people would actually

3520
02:37:43,210 --> 02:37:42,530
want to listen whereas when you hear a

3521
02:37:44,530 --> 02:37:43,220
real voice

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02:37:46,690 --> 02:37:44,540
artists doing it who knows what they're

3523
02:37:48,429 --> 02:37:46,700
doing wow they could read the phonebook

3524
02:37:50,860 --> 02:37:48,439
and you'd want to listen Don Ecker

3525
02:37:55,269 --> 02:37:50,870
please explain where to find more about

3526
02:37:58,450 --> 02:37:55,279
you Dark Matters radio airs both Friday

3527
02:38:02,650 --> 02:37:58,460
and Saturday evenings beginning at 5:00

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02:38:11,590 --> 02:38:08,630
East Coast go to kg are a radio.com and

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02:38:14,830 --> 02:38:11,600
you can also find us and the dark

3531
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:14,840
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02:38:24,429 --> 02:38:22,430
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02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:26,720
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02:38:31,870 --> 02:38:29,090
cast Plus go to plus dot the power cast

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02:38:34,330 --> 02:38:31,880
comm for more we also give you a version

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02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:39,560
calm Dean Radin and we'd like you back

3542
02:38:43,479 --> 02:38:41,210
sometime in the future thank you for

3543
02:38:53,079 --> 02:38:43,489
joining us on the power cast thank you

3544
02:38:59,510 --> 02:38:56,599
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3545
02:39:02,499 --> 02:38:59,520
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible